On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 03:55 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> Expected result:
>>
>>
>> Lorum ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit
>> ZZZ ZZZ sed do euismod tempor incididunt ut labore et
>> dolore magna aliqua.
>
> On Windows 10, I get this on 2.7, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7.
>
>> Actual result in Pyth
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> finding the bug is basically searching
>> through a problem space of all things that could potentially cause
>> this symptom. A novice could accidentally stumble onto the right
>> solution to a tricky bug, or an ex
On 9/29/2017 1:25 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
I don't have Python 3.6 installed, can somebody check to see whether or not it
shows the same (wrong) behaviour?
import textwrap
text = ('Lorum ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing'
' elit ZZZ\xa0ZZZ sed do euismod tempor incididunt'
"Steve D'Aprano" wrote in message
news:59cdd938$0$14933$b1db1813$d948b...@news.astraweb.com...
I don't have Python 3.6 installed, can somebody check to see whether or not
it
shows the same (wrong) behaviour?
[...]
C:\Users\User>python
Python 3.6.0 (v3.6.0:41df79263a11, Dec 23 2016, 08:06:12
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:56 pm, Bill wrote:
I worked in maintenance programming. You got the hand you were dealt!
And you weren't allowed to "improve" the code unless the customer
contracted you to do so.
How do you tell the difference between a bug fix and an code improve
Chris Angelico wrote:
finding the bug is basically searching
through a problem space of all things that could potentially cause
this symptom. A novice could accidentally stumble onto the right
solution to a tricky bug, or an expert could search a thousand other
things and only get to the true cau
I don't have Python 3.6 installed, can somebody check to see whether or not it
shows the same (wrong) behaviour?
import textwrap
text = ('Lorum ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing'
' elit ZZZ\xa0ZZZ sed do euismod tempor incididunt'
' ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.')
p
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:56 pm, Bill wrote:
>
>> I worked in maintenance programming. You got the hand you were dealt!
>> And you weren't allowed to "improve" the code unless the customer
>> contracted you to do so.
>
> How do you tell the di
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:56 pm, Bill wrote:
> I worked in maintenance programming. You got the hand you were dealt!
> And you weren't allowed to "improve" the code unless the customer
> contracted you to do so.
How do you tell the difference between a bug fix and an code improvement, if the
behavi
On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 5:08:20 PM UTC-5, Case Solution & Analysis wrote:
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> Economy by Maciek Nowak, Alexander Stoll is available at a lowest price, send
> email to casesolutionscentre(at)gmail(dot)com if you want to
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Yep. Pick anyone on this list that you believe is an expert, and ask
> him/her for a story of a long debug session that ended up finding a
> tiny problem. I can pretty much guarantee that every expert programmer
> will have multiple such exp
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Bill wrote:
> I won't claim to be any sort of "expert". But one memorable problem, for
> me, was ultimately accounted for by the "inherent problem" of the floating
> point variables x0 and xo coexisting in the same module. It's sort of funny
> if you think about
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
Be careful with this one. For anything other than trivial errors (and
even for some trivial errors), finding the bug is basically searching
through a problem space of all things that could potentially caus
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Bill wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> Be careful with this one. For anything other than trivial errors (and
>> even for some trivial errors), finding the bug is basically searching
>> through a problem space of all things that could potentially cause
>> this sy
On 9/28/2017 12:33 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
"""
In the coming weeks, we will release the other videos, in batches of
one conference day per week.
"""
It was not obvious to me that 'private video' meant 'non-existent, not
yet added video'. It usually means a video that is present but not publ
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Bill wrote:
Paul Moore wrote:
On 27 September 2017 at 17:41, leam hall wrote:
Hehe...I've been trying to figure out how to phrase a question. Knowing
I'm
not the only one who gets frustrated really helps.
I'm trying to learn to be a pro
Steve D'Aprano schreef op 28/09/2017 3:45:
One of Raymond Hettinger's videos talks about writing beautiful Python code, and
how slavishly obeying PEP 8 is not really productive. I'll try to find a link
later and post it.
That would be
Raymond Hettinger - Beyond PEP 8 -- Best practices for beau
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Bill wrote:
> Paul Moore wrote:
>>
>> On 27 September 2017 at 17:41, leam hall wrote:
>>>
>>> Hehe...I've been trying to figure out how to phrase a question. Knowing
>>> I'm
>>> not the only one who gets frustrated really helps.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to learn to be a
Paul Moore wrote:
On 27 September 2017 at 17:41, leam hall wrote:
Hehe...I've been trying to figure out how to phrase a question. Knowing I'm
not the only one who gets frustrated really helps.
I'm trying to learn to be a programmer. I can look at a book and read basic
code in a few languages b
On 09/28/2017 04:15 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
With Python, I'd say that an appreciation of the available libraries
is key - both what's in the stdlib, and what's available from PyPI.
That's not to say you should memorise the standard library, but rather
cultivate an approach of "hmm, I'm pretty sure
On 09/28/2017 09:40 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> Are you aware of pipsi? If you do `pipsi install somepackage` it
> creates a new virtualenv in ~/.local/.venvs, populates it with
> somepackage and its dependencies, and then puts the entry point
> scripts for somepackage into ~/.local/bin. It may be a us
On 09/28/2017 07:35 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
But remember that paid programmers usually do not "code",
in the sense of "write a program from scratch". Most of the
work is maintenance programming, where an important part of
the job is to read and understand a piece of code.
Coding fro
My question has received several helpful responses, thanks!
On 09/28/2017 01:01 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:41:24 -0400, leam hall
declaimed the following:
"Programmer"... or "Software Engineer"?
I haven't kept up on "job titles" but for my history, "pro
Hatch 0.20.0 features easy cross-platform Conda installation and interactive
project creation! https://github.com/ofek/hatch/blob/master/HISTORY.rst#0200
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On 09/27/2017 04:15 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 9/27/17 6:55 PM, Rob Gaddi wrote:
Anyone have any good references on using Sphinx to generate a mix of
autogenerated API docs and hand-written "Yeah, but this is what you DO
with it" docs? Free is good but I'm happy to drop money on books if
th
On 28.09.2017 18:25, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 28.09.2017 18:11, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 9/28/2017 8:15 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> We are pleased to announce the first batch of cut videos for EuroPython
>>> 2017.
>>>
>>> To see the videos, please head over to our EuroPython YouTube channel
>>> a
On 28.09.2017 18:11, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 9/28/2017 8:15 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> We are pleased to announce the first batch of cut videos for EuroPython
>> 2017.
>>
>> To see the videos, please head over to our EuroPython YouTube channel
>> and select the “EuroPython 2017″ playlist:
>>
>>
>>
On 9/28/2017 8:15 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
We are pleased to announce the first batch of cut videos for EuroPython
2017.
To see the videos, please head over to our EuroPython YouTube channel
and select the “EuroPython 2017″ playlist:
* EuroPython 2017 Videos *
On 2017-09-28, bartc wrote:
> On 28/09/2017 12:31, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>> Until now, I thought that people who wrote crappy code did so
>> because they didn't know any better. This is the first time
>> I've seen somebody state publicly that they have no interest
>> in writing clean code.
>
> I m
On 28/09/2017 12:31, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:12 pm, bartc wrote:
And I have little interest in most of this lot (my eyes glaze over just
reading some of these):
> - how to use operating systems
You've never used a system call? Written to a file? Moved the mouse?
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:18:10 -0700, Larry Hudson wrote:
> On 09/27/2017 09:41 AM, leam hall wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ned Batchelder
>> wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> The question is, what should a person "know" when hiring out as a
>> programmer? What is 'know" and what should be "known
We are pleased to announce the first batch of cut videos for EuroPython
2017.
To see the videos, please head over to our EuroPython YouTube channel
and select the “EuroPython 2017″ playlist:
* EuroPython 2017 Videos *
http://europython.tv/
You'll
On 2017-09-28, Dan Sommers wrote:
> If I'm hiring myself out as a plumber, I should know how to unclog
> drains;
OT: I recommend hiring a drain specialist, *not* a plumber for
this particular job. Asking a plumber to clear a drain would be
kinda like hiring a whiz-bang C programmer to configure y
On 26/09/2017 01:15, Cai Gengyang wrote:
"""
Boolean Operators
True and True is True
True and False is False
False and True is False
False and False is False
True or True is True
True or False is True
False or True is True
False or False is False
Not True is False
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 5:21 AM, Cai Gengyang wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 1:01:50 PM UTC+8, Cameron Simpson
> wrote:
> > On 26Sep2017 20:55, Cai Gengyang wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 6:45:00 AM UTC+8, Cameron Simpson
> wrote:
> > >> On 26Sep2017 14:43, Cai Gen
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:12 pm, bartc wrote:
> And I have little interest in most of this lot (my eyes glaze over just
> reading some of these):
>
> > - how to use operating systems
You've never used a system call? Written to a file? Moved the mouse?
> > - how to use an editor well (
On 28/09/2017 03:33, Stefan Ram wrote:
Larry Hudson writes:
Hopefully NOT like this person...
Since I teach nights at a local community college
a programmer who couldn't program
It is not clear what »this person« refers to:
Do you hope one is not like that teacher who
public
Thank you it was data["RaceDay"] that was needed.
ata = r.json()
if data["RaceDay"] is None:
print("Nothing here")
else:
print(data["RaceDay"])
Nothing here
Nothing here
Nothing here
{'MeetingDate': '2017-01-11T00:00:00', .
Thanks
Sayth
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On 28 September 2017 at 06:56, Bill wrote:
> Steve D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>>
>> Similarly for break and continue.
>>
>>> I can still see their
>>> use causing potential trouble in (really-long) real-world code.
>>
>> How so?
>>
>> Besides, if your code is "really long", you probably should factorise
On 27 September 2017 at 17:41, leam hall wrote:
> Hehe...I've been trying to figure out how to phrase a question. Knowing I'm
> not the only one who gets frustrated really helps.
>
> I'm trying to learn to be a programmer. I can look at a book and read basic
> code in a few languages but it would
Are you aware of pipsi? If you do `pipsi install somepackage` it
creates a new virtualenv in ~/.local/.venvs, populates it with
somepackage and its dependencies, and then puts the entry point
scripts for somepackage into ~/.local/bin. It may be a useful way of
delivering your program, rather than b
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