On 11/02/2013 07:24, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 11/02/2013 02:05, alex23 wrote:
I highly recommend not reading up on any
modern physics as there'll be plenty there that just makes you angry.
Spoil sport. Fancy not wanting rr's views on
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 11/02/2013 06:50, Isaac To wrote:
>>
>> I have a package (say "foo") that I want to rename (say, to "bar"), and
>> for compatibility reasons I want to be able to use the old package name
>> to refer to the new package.
>
>
> My apologies f
On 11/02/2013 06:50, Isaac To wrote:
I have a package (say "foo") that I want to rename (say, to "bar"), and
for compatibility reasons I want to be able to use the old package name
to refer to the new package.
My apologies for the over engineering, but this is the best I could come
up with.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 11/02/2013 02:05, alex23 wrote:
>>
>>
>> I highly recommend not reading up on any
>> modern physics as there'll be plenty there that just makes you angry.
>>
>
> Spoil sport. Fancy not wanting rr's views on string theory :)
Is that Unico
On 11/02/2013 02:05, alex23 wrote:
I highly recommend not reading up on any
modern physics as there'll be plenty there that just makes you angry.
Spoil sport. Fancy not wanting rr's views on string theory :)
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I have a package (say "foo") that I want to rename (say, to "bar"), and for
compatibility reasons I want to be able to use the old package name to
refer to the new package. Copying files or using filesystem symlinks is
probably not the way to go, since that means any object in the modules of
the p
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote:
> Subject: cafebabe python macosx easter egg?
>
> $ hexdump -n4 -C $(which python) | awk '{print $2 $3 $4 $5 }'
cafebabe
~ $ # Huh. Let's google...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak :
"0xCAFEBABE ("cafe babe") is used by Mach-O to identif
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote:
> $ hexdump -n4 -C $(which python) | awk '{print $2 $3 $4 $5 }'
I believe that's used as a file signature. All you're doing is looking
at the first four bytes of the file; 0xCAFEBABE is used as a signature
by Java class files, and some others.
On Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:01:01 UTC+12, Marcus Liddle wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm trying to get a really simple python program to
> run a bash testing script and kill itself if its
> been running to long (ie infinite loop)
>
> create the thread object - test = TestThread()
> run the comman
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:42 PM, alex23 wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:25 pm, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> Rick seems to know his stuff
>> about Tk programming, but his knowledge of programming language theory
>> and formal computing seems quite informal.
>
> Not informal, "intuited". If he doesn't already kno
$ hexdump -n4 -C $(which python) | awk '{print $2 $3 $4 $5 }'
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On Feb 9, 2:25 pm, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Rick seems to know his stuff
> about Tk programming, but his knowledge of programming language theory
> and formal computing seems quite informal.
Not informal, "intuited". If he doesn't already know something, it's
apparently not important.
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On Feb 8, 4:29 pm, Rick Johnson wrote:
> That's a strange thing to say when you go on to provide an example that tests
> the validity of the object "each and every time":
Here's a tip: context is important. I was referring to not having to
*explicitly* test if a label *is defined* in order to be
In article ,
Ihsan Junaidi Ibrahim wrote:
> I'm implementing a python client connecting to a C-backend server and am
> currently stuck to as to how to proceed with receiving variable-length byte
> stream coming in from the server.
>
> I have coded the first 4 bytes (in hexadecimal) of message
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Rex Macey wrote:
> I should have added that the setup gives an error window "Cannot install"
> "Python version 3.3 required, which was not found in the registry."
I'm guessing that you installed a 64-bit python and are using a 32-bit numpy.
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On Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:50:25 PM UTC-6, Chris Angelico wrote:
> [...]
> I don't understand. Wouldn't freezing an array (list) result in a
> tuple? And, why should there be no literal syntax for them?
>
> Having a convenient literal notation for every basic type is extremely
> handy.
Act
On Feb 11, 9:59 am, Rick Johnson wrote:
> We don't add features because of logic, or because of consistency,
> or even because of good sense, we simply add them to appease the masses.
When "logic" or "good sense" are writing programs, maybe then we'll
listen more to what they want in a language.
On 2013-02-11 00:36, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Rick Johnson wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:29:54 AM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Rick wrote:
And you have missed my point, which is that reversed(), and sorted(),
were not added to the language on a whim, but because they were
requested, ove
On Feb 9, 2:51 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Rick Johnson wrote:
>> I really don't like to read docs when learning a language,
>> especially a "so-called" high level language. I prefer to learn
>> the language by interactive sessions and object introspection. Then,
>> when i have exhausted all abi
On 2013-02-11 00:48, Ihsan Junaidi Ibrahim wrote:
Hi,
I'm implementing a python client connecting to a C-backend server and am
currently stuck to as to how to proceed with receiving variable-length byte
stream coming in from the server.
I have coded the first 4 bytes (in hexadecimal) of messa
On 10 February 2013 22:14, Rex Macey wrote:
> I should have added that the setup gives an error window "Cannot install"
> "Python version 3.3 required, which was not found in the registry."
Yes, you should have added this information. Are you sure that Python
3.3 is installed? Have you tried run
Within __init__ I setup a log with self.log = logging.getLogger('foo') then add
a
console and filehandler which requires the formatting to be specified. There a
few
methods I setup a local log object by calling getChild against the global log
object.
This works fine until I need to adjust the
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:12:57 PM UTC-6, Tim Chase wrote:
> What should you get if you flatten
>
> [[[1,2],[3,4]],[[5,6],[7,8]]]
>
> Should the result be
>
> [[1,2],[3,4],[5,6],[7,8]]
>
> or
>
> [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8]
>
> I've needed both cases, depending on the situation.
Well provid
On 02/10/2013 07:48 PM, Ihsan Junaidi Ibrahim wrote:
Hi,
I'm implementing a python client connecting to a C-backend server and am
currently stuck to as to how to proceed with receiving variable-length byte
stream coming in from the server.
I have coded the first 4 bytes (in hexadecimal) of me
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Mark Janssen wrote:
>
>> A unified data model as I define it, specifies a canonical atomic unit
>> (like the unit integer) and an abstract grouping construct in which
>> these atomic units can be arranged. By themselves, these two can
>> c
Hi,
I'm implementing a python client connecting to a C-backend server and am
currently stuck to as to how to proceed with receiving variable-length byte
stream coming in from the server.
I have coded the first 4 bytes (in hexadecimal) of message coming in from the
server to specify the length
Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:30:00 AM UTC-6, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
>> On 10 February 2013 04:53, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > I have to agree with Rick, I think requiring the user to explicitly
>> > create a new object, which is already a good and widely-used practic
Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:29:54 AM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>> And you have missed my point, which is that reversed(), and sorted(),
>> were not added to the language on a whim, but because they were
>> requested, over and over and over again.
>
> We
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:30:00 AM UTC-6, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
> On 10 February 2013 04:53, Mark Janssen wrote:
> > [...]
> > I have to agree with Rick, I think requiring the user to explicitly
> > create a new object, which is already a good and widely-used practice,
> > should be the Only O
Rick Johnson wrote:
> we can get the iterator for free. If however you want to control the
> iteration /without/ being locked into a loop, you can explicitly call:
>
> py> iter(seq)
> Or, if python employed /true/ OOP paradigm:
>
> py> Iterator(seq)
Today I learned that the difference between
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:29:30 +1100, Steven D'Aprano
> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>>
>> Oh dear. Chris was being sarcastic. I thought that, even if the sarcasm
>> wasn't obvious, his "Ook. Ook!" at the end should have given it away:
>>
>
Mark Janssen wrote:
> A unified data model as I define it, specifies a canonical atomic unit
> (like the unit integer) and an abstract grouping construct in which
> these atomic units can be arranged. By themselves, these two can
> construct arbitrary levels of data structure complexity. Add the
> > > flatten, flattened
> >
> > flatten is another often requested, hard to implement correctly,
> > function. The only reason that Python doesn't have a flatten is
> > that nobody can agree on precisely what it should do.
>
> Steven, the definition of flatten (as relates to sequences) is
> ver
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:29:54 AM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Rick wrote:
> And you have missed my point, which is that reversed(), and sorted(), were
> not added to the language on a whim, but because they were requested, over
> and over and over again.
Well, well, this explains everyth
On 02/10/2013 05:44 PM, ISE Development wrote:
Is it considered acceptable practice (e.g. not confusing, not
> surprising or not Pythonic) to allow multiple ways to access
> the same attributes?
>
> For example, supposing I am providing access to external
> devices, that these parameters may va
On 2013-02-10 22:44, ISE Development wrote:
Is it considered acceptable practice (e.g. not confusing, not
surprising or not Pythonic) to allow multiple ways to access
the same attributes?
For example, supposing I am providing access to external
devices, that these parameters may vary slightly be
Is it considered acceptable practice (e.g. not confusing, not
surprising or not Pythonic) to allow multiple ways to access
the same attributes?
For example, supposing I am providing access to external
devices, that these parameters may vary slightly between
devices (e.g. different models, etc.
I should have added that the setup gives an error window "Cannot install"
"Python version 3.3 required, which was not found in the registry."
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:11:20 PM UTC-5, Rex Macey wrote:
> The setup of numpy-1.7.0 leads to a Setup window with a message: "Python 3.3
> is require
The setup of numpy-1.7.0 leads to a Setup window with a message: "Python 3.3 is
required for this package. Select installation to use:". Below that is an empty
list box. Below that is an edit box for the Python Directory.
I have Python 3.3 installed on c:\Python33.
On Sunday, February 10,
суббота, 9 февраля 2013 г., 23:22:47 UTC+4 пользователь Terry Reedy написал:
> On 2/9/2013 6:23 AM, Vlasov Vitaly wrote:
>
> > Hello.
>
> >
>
> > I found strange behavior of curses module, that i can't understand. I
>
> > initialize screen with curses.initscr(), then i create subwin of
>
> > s
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Mark Janssen
> wrote:
>> Yes, I was aware of his sarcasm. But I was actually wanting to agree
>> with the fundamental idea: that one could reduce all data types to 1
>> atomic unit and 1 grouping construc
Rick Johnson:
Really?
Yes.
>> a = [1,2]
=> [1, 2]
>> a.push(3)
=> [1, 2, 3]
>> a
=> [1, 2, 3]
This could be called "mutation without exclamation".
>> require 'WEBrick'
=> true
>> vowels = "[aeiou]+"
=> "[aeiou]+"
>> vowels.object_id
=> 2234951380
>> WEBrick::HTTPUtils._make_regex!(vow
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Mark Janssen wrote:
> Yes, I was aware of his sarcasm. But I was actually wanting to agree
> with the fundamental idea: that one could reduce all data types to 1
> atomic unit and 1 grouping construct, and like set theory in
> mathematics, derive everything else.
On 2/10/2013 1:45 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:39:21 AM UTC-6, Terry Reedy wrote:
While it is true that sorted(iterable) is essentially
def sorted(iterable):
tem = list(iterable)
tem.sort
return tem
the body is not an expression and cannot be substituted i
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Mark Janssen wrote:
>> I have to agree with Rick, I think requiring the user to explicitly
>> create a new object, which is already a good and widely-used practice,
>
> Perhaps so, but consider how you creates new objects in Python. Very ra
I am attempting to plot the relative sky positions of several Astronomy images
I'm studying. I want a set of axes that represent a 2-d projection of the sky
(don't want to use polar projection), so my x-axis would be from 0 to 360
(right ascension) and the y-axis from about -35 to 90 (declinati
On 10 February 2013 18:14, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 02/10/2013 10:35 AM, Rex Macey wrote:
>> I'm new to Python with a new windows 8 machine (64-bit OS). Learning
>> programming mainly for fun. Naturally I downloaded Python 3.3 (who
>> doesn't want the latest and greatest). What I want involve
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 02/10/2013 10:35 AM, Rex Macey wrote:
> A casual google search seems to indicate that for now, SciPy and NumPy
> are for Python 2.x (2.7 is the latest). I could be wrong though and
> often am. I know a number of popular and useful packa
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:53:57 AM UTC-6, Neil Hodgson wrote:
> Ruby does not use '!' to indicate in-place modification:
Really?
rb> a = [1,2,3]
[1, 2, 3]
rb> a.reverse
[3, 2, 1]
rb> a
[1, 2, 3]
rb> a.reverse!
[3, 2, 1]
rb> a
[3, 2, 1]
And now we will verify that a.reverse! has not assigned
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:39:21 AM UTC-6, Terry Reedy wrote:
> While it is true that sorted(iterable) is essentially
>
> def sorted(iterable):
>tem = list(iterable)
>tem.sort
>return tem
>
> the body is not an expression and cannot be substituted in an
> expression.
Yes but th
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Oscar Benjamin
wrote:
> On 10 February 2013 04:53, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> I have to agree with Rick, I think requiring the user to explicitly
>> create a new object, which is already a good and widely-used practice,
>> should be the Only One Way to Do It.
>
> Why
On 10/02/2013 12:35 PM, Rex Macey wrote:
I'm new to Python with a new windows 8 machine (64-bit OS). Learning
programming mainly for fun. Naturally I downloaded Python 3.3 (who doesn't
want the latest and greatest). What I want involves functions related to the
normal distribution. Based on
On 02/10/2013 10:35 AM, Rex Macey wrote:
> I'm new to Python with a new windows 8 machine (64-bit OS). Learning
> programming mainly for fun. Naturally I downloaded Python 3.3 (who
> doesn't want the latest and greatest). What I want involves
> functions related to the normal distribution. Based
On 10/02/2013 17:35, Rex Macey wrote:
I'm new to Python with a new windows 8 machine (64-bit OS). Learning
programming mainly for fun. Naturally I downloaded Python 3.3 (who doesn't
want the latest and greatest). What I want involves functions related to the
normal distribution. Based on my
The first one I sent directly to you, but it used randint with a list.
The second should be what you're looking for. If not, then ask a
little further what you need explained.
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joel Goldstick
wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, eli m wrote:
>>
>> How do i make something with python that will ask the user for input, and
>> then use the random.choice function to select a random choice from what the
>> user entered.
Below is a
I'm new to Python with a new windows 8 machine (64-bit OS). Learning
programming mainly for fun. Naturally I downloaded Python 3.3 (who doesn't
want the latest and greatest). What I want involves functions related to the
normal distribution. Based on my google research, it appears that SCIPY
Am 10.02.2013 12:37 schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
So, in Python 4000, my vote is for set literals { } to create frozensets,
and if you want a mutable set, you have to use the set() type directly.
4000 sounds about long future.
In the meanwhile, a new syntax element could be introduced fpr
frozens
How do i make something with python that will ask the user for input, and then
use the random.choice function to select a random choice from what the user
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for your reply with full function :) Great forum.. :)
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:46 PM, David Hutto wrote:
> Here is the full function with an instance using the function:
>
> def text_wrapper(file_name = None, pre_text = None, text = None,
> post_text = None):
> f = open(
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Morten Engvoldsen
wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> Thanks again for suggestion
No problem. I haven't used my python skills in a while, so I went
ahead and went through it fully.
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Here is the full function with an instance using the function:
def text_wrapper(file_name = None, pre_text = None, text = None,
post_text = None):
f = open(file_name, 'a')
f.write("%s\n%s\n%s\n" % (pre_text, text, post_text))
f.close()
text_wrapper(file_name = r"/home/dav
Hi Dave,
Thanks again for suggestion
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:30 PM, David Hutto wrote:
> I haven't looked at text wrapper, but it would probably look
> something like this in a function, untested:
>
> def text_wrapper(file_name = None, pre_text = None, text = None,
> post_text = None):
>
Oops, I mean :
def text_wrapper(file_name = None, pre_text = None, text = None,
post_text = None):
f = open(file, 'a')
f.write("%s\n%s\n%s\n" % (pre_text, text, post_text)
f.close()
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I haven't looked at text wrapper, but it would probably look
something like this in a function, untested:
def text_wrapper(file_name = None, pre_text = None, text = None,
post_text = None):
f = open(file, 'a')
f.write("%s\n%s\n%s\n" % (pre_text = None, text, post_text = None)
f.close(
Hi Dave,
This is good code, simple but makes the Coding Standard better.. Thanks to
all again
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:01 PM, David Hutto wrote:
> Kind of like below:
>
> david@david-HP-Compaq-dc7600-Convertible-Minitower:~$ python
> Python 2.7.3 (default, Aug 1 2012, 05:16:07)
> [GCC 4.6.3] o
On Saturday, February 09, 2013 03:27:16 PM Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
> Hi Team,
> I Have saved my output in .doc file and want to format the output with
>
> *Start the File
>
> Some data here
>
>
> ***End of File*
>
Hi,
Thanks for your suggestion. This is a great forum for Python. :)
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:12 PM, inq1ltd wrote:
> **
>
> On Saturday, February 09, 2013 03:27:16 PM Morten Engvoldsen wrote:
>
> > Hi Team,
>
> > I Have saved my output in .doc file and want to format the output with
>
> >
>
>
In article <5117868b$0$29998$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Sets are not frozen lists.
Right. Tuples are frozen lists (ducking and running).
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Steven D'Aprano於 2013年2月9日星期六UTC+8上午11時36分52秒寫道：
> Rick Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
> > The solution is simple. Do not offer the "copy-mutate" methods and force
>
> > all mutation to happen in-place:
>
> >
>
> > py> l = [1,2,3]
>
> > py> l.reverse
>
> > py> l
>
> > [3,2,1]
>
> >
>
> > If the
Mark Janssen wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rick Johnson
>> wrote:
>>> My point was this: All mutate methods should mutate "in-place", if the
>>> programmer wishes to create a mutated copy of the object, then the
>>> programmer
Ivan Yurchenko wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've done the following in CPython 2.7.3 and 3.3.0 (and also in PyPy
> 2.0b1):
>
import weakref
x = set()
y = weakref.proxy(x)
x.__class__, type(x), isinstance(x, set)
> (, , True)
y.__class__, type(y), isinstance(y, set)
> (, , True)
>
Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> "inserted" is called addition, together with list slicing when needed.
>>
>> newlist = [item_to_insert] + oldlist
>> newlist = oldlist[0:5] + [item_to_insert] + oldlist[5:]
>
> Really? Wouldn't it be easier to
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:29:54 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Rick Johnson wrote:
> > map, mapped
> > filter, filtered
> > reduce, reduced
>
> Those are nonsense. None of those are in-place mutator methods.
> Especially reduce, which reduces a list to a single item. You might
> as well have sugg
On 10 February 2013 04:53, Mark Janssen wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rick Johnson
>> wrote:
>>> My point was this: All mutate methods should mutate "in-place", if the
>>> programmer wishes to create a mutated copy of the obje
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> "inserted" is called addition, together with list slicing when needed.
>
> newlist = [item_to_insert] + oldlist
> newlist = oldlist[0:5] + [item_to_insert] + oldlist[5:]
Really? Wouldn't it be easier to use slice assignment on a copy?
ne
Hello.
I've done the following in CPython 2.7.3 and 3.3.0 (and also in PyPy 2.0b1):
>>> import weakref
>>> x = set()
>>> y = weakref.proxy(x)
>>> x.__class__, type(x), isinstance(x, set)
(, , True)
>>> y.__class__, type(y), isinstance(y, set)
(, , True)
So, type doesn't use object's __class__ to
Rick Johnson wrote:
> IMO "Set Types" should only exists as a concequence of "freezing" an
> array,
Sets are not frozen lists.
> and should have NO literal syntax avaiable.
Unfortunately, Python has a minor design flaw. One of the most common
use-cases for sets is for membership testing of lit
Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, February 8, 2013 9:36:52 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Rick Johnson wrote:
>>
>> > The solution is simple. Do not offer the "copy-mutate" methods and
>> > force all mutation to happen in-place:
>> >
>> > py> l = [1,2,3]
>> > py> l.reverse
>> > py> l
>> > [3
Neil Hodgson wrote:
> Rick Johnson:
>
>> The Ruby language attempted to save the programmer from the scourge of
>> obtaining a four year degree in linguistics just to create intuitive
>> identifiers "on-the-fly", and they tried to remove this ambiguity by
>> employing "post-fix-punctuation" of th
On 09.02.2013 12:04, Joshua Robinson wrote:
> Hi *Monte-Pythons*,
>
> x = "this is a simple : text: that has colon"
> s = x.replace(string.punctuation, ""); OR
> s = x.replace(string.punctuation, "");
> print x # 'this is a simple : text: that has colon'
> # The colon is still in the text
Rick Johnson:
The Ruby language attempted to save the programmer from the scourge of obtaining a four year degree
in linguistics just to create intuitive identifiers "on-the-fly", and they tried to
remove this ambiguity by employing "post-fix-punctuation" of the exclamation mark as a
visual c
While it is true that sorted(iterable) is essentially
def sorted(iterable):
tem = list(iterable)
tem.sort
return tem
the body is not an expression and cannot be substituted in an
expression. The need for the short form was thought common enough to be
worth, *on balance*, a new builtin na
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