pdb and jump - newbie question

2011-04-14 Thread BiDi
I have been trying to figure out how to use pdb to correct simple errors in a file and then continue with program execution. Perhaps someone can tell me why this is not working for me. Here is my file test.py: #-- import pdb pdb.set_trace() print """ this is a test file """ x =

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes: > Save yourself a lot of time and just killfile him now. You'll thank me > for it later. You never thanked *me* for it, after you eventually realised that was the right decision :-) -- \ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” —Kermit the Frog | `\

Re: Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
Thanks for the responses, all! In its strictest sense, itertools.count() seems to be what I'm after, but may not be what I need. On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > No. But you can use an itertools.count([start=0]) object, and then catch > the KeyError when you pass the end

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Roy Smith
In article <4da7abad$0$29986$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > What they give is ubiquity, which is a point in their favour. But just > because something is common doesn't make it useful: for the most part > both are used for style over substance, of sizzle without

Re: Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread Ryan Kelly
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 12:34 +1000, Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 12:10 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > > > My first draft looks something like this. The input dictionary is > > called dct, the output list is lst. > > > > lst=[] > > for i in xrange(1,1000): # arbitrary top, do

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Roy Smith
In article <4da7a8f5$0$29986$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:50:24 -0700, Westley Martínez wrote: > > > Also, why aren't Opera and Google criticized for their proprietary > > browsers (Chrome is essentially a proprietary front-end)? Is it be

Re: Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread John Connor
If I understand your question correctly, what you want is probably something like: i = 0 lst=[] while True: try: lst.append(parse_kwdlist(dct["Keyword%d"%i])) i += 1 except KeyError: break --jac On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Apologies for interrupting the

Re: Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:10:52 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Apologies for interrupting the vital off-topic discussion, but I have a > real Python question to ask. Sorry, you'll in the wrong forum for that. *wink* [...] > My first draft looks something like this. The input dictionary is called >

Re: Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread Nobody
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:10:52 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > One, is there a way to make an xrange object and leave the top off? itertools.count() > And two, can the entire thing be turned into a list comprehension or > something? Generally any construct with a for loop that appends to a > list i

Re: Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread Ryan Kelly
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 12:10 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Apologies for interrupting the vital off-topic discussion, but I have > a real Python question to ask. > > I'm doing something that needs to scan a dictionary for elements that > have a particular beginning and a numeric tail, and turn the

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Personally, I think it is *good* that there is a plurality of browsers in > the market. In my perfect world, no single browser should capture more > than 20% share of users. In *MY* perfect world, choice of browser should be completely up

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:15:59 -0500, Jeffrey Gaynor wrote: [...] > Don't know much about this topic, but boy is my BS detector going off... Just search the archives for "rantingrick". He's been around a few years now, and my estimate is that 99% of his posts are haranguing others for refusing to

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:46:46 -0700, Westley Martínez wrote: >> Now, if only we could convince web users that having your browser >> execute untrusted code downloaded from the Internet is not such a good >> idea, supposed sandbox or not. What the world needs is a virus that >> silently removes Java

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:50:24 -0700, Westley Martínez wrote: > Also, why aren't Opera and Google criticized for their proprietary > browsers (Chrome is essentially a proprietary front-end)? Is it because > their browsers follow web standards, or is it because we have demonized > Microsoft? A littl

Pythonic infinite for loop?

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
Apologies for interrupting the vital off-topic discussion, but I have a real Python question to ask. I'm doing something that needs to scan a dictionary for elements that have a particular beginning and a numeric tail, and turn them into a single list with some processing. I have a function parse_

Re: about soaplib demo's time latency

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Stephen.Wu <54wut...@gmail.com> wrote: > It works. Seems the DNS server will exchange localhost and 127.0.0.1, > taking nearly 15 seconds. Anyway, I got to know the exactly reason let > the initialized procedures down, which is the most important thing. Generally

Re: python-farsight

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:25:34 +0530, लेवीस quoted: >> I'v mad a text chat sytem in python using xmpp. >>can anyone help me to implement video chat in it, heard python-farsight >>is used for audio/video conferencing. Can anyone help me how to use >>it in my code, I'm a python beginer so can't im

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:01:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie > wrote: >> I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards- >> compliant server and then design client software that seeks to lock in >> people to your server. FWIW I'm n

Re: about soaplib demo's time latency

2011-04-14 Thread Stephen.Wu
On Apr 14, 9:39 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Stephen.Wu <54wut...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Chris. > > I recheck the logic line by line and I find it is this sentence drag > > speed down :  hello_client = Client('http://localhost:7789/?wsdl'). > > To initialize

python-farsight

2011-04-14 Thread लेवीस
> I'v mad a text chat sytem in python using xmpp. >can anyone help me to implement video chat in it, heard python-farsight is >used for audio/video conferencing. Can anyone help me how to use it in my >code, I'm a python beginer so can't imlement much in python. I found this >python-farsight

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:23:01 -0700, Westley Martínez wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 08:01 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie >> wrote: >> > I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards- >> > compliant server and then design client

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Westley Martínez
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 08:01 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie > wrote: > > I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards- > > compliant server and then design client software that seeks to lock in > > people to your server. FWIW I'm

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:01:42 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie > wrote: >> I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards- >> compliant server and then design client software that seeks to lock in >> people to your server. FWIW I'm n

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > I think the only real evil is to set out to make a non-standards- > compliant server and then design client software that seeks to lock in > people to your server. FWIW I'm not certain that is anything that MS > deliberately set out to do.

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:50:24 -0700, Westley Martínez wrote: > Also, why aren't Opera and Google criticized for their proprietary > browsers (Chrome is essentially a proprietary front-end)? Is it because > their browsers follow web standards, or is it because we have demonized > Microsoft? > Person

PEP index by topic

2011-04-14 Thread Eric Snow
Reading the PEPs is a great way to get a look at how Python has developed and at some of its subtle nuances. It's a great way to compare your great new idea to what the community has seriously considered before. Most of them have information that you won't find consolidated anywhere else. Quite

Re: TextWrangler "run" command not working properly

2011-04-14 Thread Ernest Obusek
I'm not a python expert, but you might trying running 'print sys.path' inside your script and run that from TextWrangler to see where it's looking for modules. - Ernest On Apr 14, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Jon Clements wrote: > On Apr 14, 9:52 pm, Fabio wrote: >> Hi to all, >> I have troubles with T

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Ethan Furman
Westley Martínez wrote: Also, why aren't Opera and Google criticized for their proprietary browsers (Chrome is essentially a proprietary front-end)? Is it because their browsers follow web standards, or is it because we have demonized Microsoft? My biggest gripe with Microsoft as that they *don

Re: TextWrangler "run" command not working properly

2011-04-14 Thread Jon Clements
On Apr 14, 9:52 pm, Fabio wrote: > Hi to all, > I have troubles with TextWrangler "run" command in the "shebang" (#!) > menu. > I am on MacOSX 10.6.7. > I have the "built-in" Python2.5 which comes installed by "mother Apple". > Then I installed Python2.6, and left 2.5 untouched (I was suggested to

[Mac OSX] TextWrangler "run" command not working properly

2011-04-14 Thread Fabio
Hi to all, I have troubles with TextWrangler "run" command in the "shebang" (#!) menu. I am on MacOSX 10.6.7. I have the "built-in" Python2.5 which comes installed by "mother Apple". Then I installed Python2.6, and left 2.5 untouched (I was suggested to leave it on the system, since "something mi

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 14:02 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:15:05 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > 4) Assumes people aren't deliberately fiddling the figures. Yeah, that > > would be correct. We're in the realm of conspiracy theories here... does > > anyone seriously think

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 14:02 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:15:05 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > 4) Assumes people aren't deliberately fiddling the figures. Yeah, that > > would be correct. We're in the realm of conspiracy theories here... does > > anyone seriously think

Re: [OSX] side by side python

2011-04-14 Thread Fabio
In article <0d6d1306-6395-4c29-a3c1-b2748bda4...@i39g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Robert wrote: > Can I install Python 2.7 and 3.2 (from python.org) side by side on OSX > without them stepping all over each other? I have troubles with textwrangler, and I have the feeling it is related to the fa

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-04-14, rantingrick wrote: > [the usual bait] One has to congratulate RR on how many fish he catches. I guess we should just be glad that in this electronic ocean overfishing doesn't cause a population crash. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Everybody gets fre

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Jeffrey Gaynor
Lemme see now... >i laid out grandiose plans for a new beginning only to have my words >fall on deaf ears. Have we become so self absorbed as to care only for >our status and ego and not for the community at whole? So you proposed a grandiose plane that is a heck of a lot of work for the peo

Re: Fun python 3.2 one-liner

2011-04-14 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article , Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >>> what is the character limit on a one liner :P. >> >> For PEP 8 compliance, 80 characters. :-) > >Yeah, but we don't live in the 80's or 90's anymore and our screens >can support xterms (or let alone IDE widows) much wider than 80 >characters. I'm using 14

Re: memory usage multi value hash

2011-04-14 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/14/2011 12:55 PM, Peter Otten wrote: I don't expect that it matters much, but you don't need to sort your data if you use a dictionary anyway: Which means that one can build the dict line by line, as each is read, instead of reading the entire file into memory. So it does matter for int

Re: memory usage multi value hash

2011-04-14 Thread Peter Otten
christian wrote: > Hello, > > i'm not very experienced in python. Is there a way doing below more > memory efficient and maybe faster. > I import a 2-column file and then concat for every unique value in > the first column ( key) the value from the second > columns. > > So The ouptut is someth

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, harrismh777 wrote: > geremy condra wrote: >> >> Having said that, I have a greater respect for mathematics than I do >> for my own economic views, and I don't like seeing it become a >> political football. If you can prove something,*prove it*. If you >> cannot- n

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM, harrismh777 wrote: >    How mamy times have you altered the identity of your web browser so that > the web site would 'work'? You know, stupid messages from the server that > say, "We only support IE 6+, upgrade your browser...",  so you tell it > you're using IE

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread CM
On Apr 14, 1:50 am, harrismh777 wrote: > Westley Martínez wrote: >   I don't  even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and > likes it... > >  >>  not even one. > > >>> >  >  Hi, m harris, nice to meet you.  Now you do. > > >>> >  >  To the online community:  Is there a

memory usage multi value hash

2011-04-14 Thread christian
Hello, i'm not very experienced in python. Is there a way doing below more memory efficient and maybe faster. I import a 2-column file and then concat for every unique value in the first column ( key) the value from the second columns. So The ouptut is something like that. A,1,2,3 B,3,4 C,9,10,

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Ethan Furman
geremy condra wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:50 PM, harrismh777 wrote: >> My major professor once told me, "You know you've won the argument when they start calling you names!" I think your professor should have said "you know you've won the argument when you can prove it". If you can

Re: OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread wisecracker
HI Steven D'Aprano... > Now, if only we could convince web users that having your browser execute > untrusted code downloaded from the Internet is not such a good idea, supposed > sandbox or not. No need, we have an abundance of half wits - erm I mean, surfers - out there willing click on anyth

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Now, if only we could convince web users that having your browser execute > untrusted code downloaded from the Internet is not such a good idea, > supposed sandbox or not. What the world needs is a virus that silently > removes Javascript

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:15:05 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > 4) Assumes people aren't deliberately fiddling the figures. Yeah, that > would be correct. We're in the realm of conspiracy theories here... does > anyone seriously think that browser stats are THAT important that they'd > go to multiple

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Westley Martínez
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 20:26 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > On Apr 13, 10:01 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 19:10 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > > > On Apr 13, 8:29 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > [...] > > > Funny you should bring

Re: about soaplib demo's time latency

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Stephen.Wu <54wut...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Chris. > I recheck the logic line by line and I find it is this sentence drag > speed down :  hello_client = Client('http://localhost:7789/?wsdl'). > To initialize a suds.client.Client instance need that long lasting

Re: about soaplib demo's time latency

2011-04-14 Thread Stephen.Wu
On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Stephen.Wu <54wut...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just follow the instructions below > > -http://soaplib.github.com/soaplib/2_0/pages/helloworld.html > > to establish a soap server. After starting the server, everytime I run

Re: python ioctl

2011-04-14 Thread Neal Becker
Nitish Sharma wrote: > Hi PyPpl, > For my current project I have a kernel device driver and a user-space > application. This user-space application is already provided to me, and > written in python. I have to extend this application with some addition > features, which involves communicating with

python ioctl

2011-04-14 Thread Nitish Sharma
Hi PyPpl, For my current project I have a kernel device driver and a user-space application. This user-space application is already provided to me, and written in python. I have to extend this application with some addition features, which involves communicating with kernel device driver through io

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread jmfauth
On 14 avr, 08:59, > Fortunately, if you're using a recent Linux or a Mac with MacPorts, > installing wxPython should never be more than one command line (or half a > dozen clicks) away. Windows users aren't quite so lucky, but still, it's > not like installing it is a major hassle. > Probably, t

Re: automated pep8 reformatter ?

2011-04-14 Thread Andrea Crotti
James Mills writes: > Does anyone know of a tool that will help with > reformatting badly written code to be pep8 compliant ? > > a 2to3 for pep8 ? > What I daily and with great happiness use is flymake-mode in emacs. Combined with pylint, pep8 and pychecker I can see while I'm programming all t

Re: about soaplib demo's time latency

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Stephen.Wu <54wut...@gmail.com> wrote: > I just follow the instructions below - > http://soaplib.github.com/soaplib/2_0/pages/helloworld.html > to establish a soap server. After starting the server, everytime I run > the client script, I fetch the response nearly 2

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:04 PM, harrismh777 wrote: > >    How many web crawlers have you built? Are there any web programmers out > there who need a web bot to hit multiple sites zillions of times a month > from different places on earth to 'up' the number of hits for economic > reasons? I've see

about soaplib demo's time latency

2011-04-14 Thread Stephen.Wu
I just follow the instructions below - http://soaplib.github.com/soaplib/2_0/pages/helloworld.html to establish a soap server. After starting the server, everytime I run the client script, I fetch the response nearly 20 seconds afterward. Why this happen? I just want the server send response asap

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Ryan Kelly wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 11:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Wait... so where do the Python experts hang out? > > Don't panic, there are plenty of experts here :-) > > It's an oft-cited troll complaint that many python big-wigs (Guido, > Raymond

Re: Postmortem on Unladen Swallow

2011-04-14 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
> There's a postmortem on the failure of Unladen Swallow by one of the > developers at: > > http://qinsb.blogspot.com/2011/03/unladen-swallow-retrospective.html This outcome of things is really a testament to the hard work of the pypy folks. They, a volunteer bunch, beat google! And that's somethi

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread harrismh777
geremy condra wrote: > But on a serious note, I did wonder who would be the first jouster to offer > the argumentum ad hominem? ... ah, sticks and stones... > My major professor once told me, "You know you've won the argument when they > start calling you names!" I think your professor

Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread harrismh777
geremy condra wrote: Having said that, I have a greater respect for mathematics than I do for my own economic views, and I don't like seeing it become a political football. If you can prove something,*prove it*. If you cannot- no matter how close you might feel you are- don't claim that math says

Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations

2011-04-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:08:17 -0700, John Ladasky wrote: > I may regret wading into a flame-war, but... > > I got started with Python in 2002. I took one look at TKinter, said > "yuck!", and went searching for something else. Now, wxPython is a bit > clunky for a Python programmer because of its