geremy condra writes:
> I agree. That does not make Go that language, and many of the choices
> made during Go's development indicate that they don't think it's that
> language either. I'm speaking specifically of its non-object model,
> lack of exceptions, etc
> You might be right, but I dou
From: "Steven D'Aprano"
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
Well, true, but people tend to *use* the parts of the GUIs that are
simple and basic. Not only do the big complicated apps get all the press
even when they are actually a ni
On 2011-01-16 20:57:41 -0800, Adam Skutt said:
On Jan 16, 11:39 pm, TomF wrote:
One difficulty is that there is a queue of work to be done and a queue
of results to be incorporated back into the parent; there is no
one-to-one correspondence between the two. It's not obvious to me how
to coord
Zeynel wrote:
>On Jan 16, 3:24 pm, TomF wrote:
>
>> vote refers to the Vote instance.
>
>So he must have instatiated previously like
>
>vote = Vote()
No, it's the line immediately above the one you asked about:
if vote is None:
vote = Vote(key_name = user.email(), parent =
On Jan 16, 11:39 pm, TomF wrote:
> One difficulty is that there is a queue of work to be done and a queue
> of results to be incorporated back into the parent; there is no
> one-to-one correspondence between the two. It's not obvious to me how
> to coordinate the queues in a natural way to avoid
On 2011-01-16 19:16:15 -0800, Dan Stromberg said:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, TomF wrote:
I'm trying to multiprocess my python code to take advantage of multiple
cores. I've read the module docs for threading and multiprocessing, and
I've done some web searches. All the examples I've f
On Jan 16, 9:45 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> You called them 'awesome'. I did not expect 'awesomely ugly'.
> Screenshots are the first thing for someone to look at, to see WHAT THE
> APP LOOKS LIKE, and to decide whether one wants to bother to download,
> switch to admin, install, run, and uninstall
On 1/16/2011 6:58 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 16, 5:14 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 1/16/2011 1:27 PM, rantingrick wrote:
least look at the awesome screen shots here...
http://www.wxpython.org/screenshots.php
I did. Well, they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!". To me,
the
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, TomF wrote:
> I'm trying to multiprocess my python code to take advantage of multiple
> cores. I've read the module docs for threading and multiprocessing, and
> I've done some web searches. All the examples I've found are too simple:
> the processes take simple
On Jan 16, 2:05 pm, TomF wrote:
> Instead of explaining my problem and asking for design suggestions,
> I'll ask: is there a compendium of realistic Python multiprocessing
> examples somewhere? Or an open source project to look at?
There are tons, but without even a knowledge domain, it's diffic
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:50 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 16, 6:59 pm, geremy condra wrote:
>> Hahahahahahahaha. Troll.
>
>
> Coming from someone who actually gives advice on how to troll more
> efficiently... now that is ironic!
>
> ###
> # Gere
On Jan 16, 6:59 pm, geremy condra wrote:
> Hahahahahahahaha. Troll.
Coming from someone who actually gives advice on how to troll more
efficiently... now that is ironic!
###
# Geremy Condra From: I strongly dislike Python 3 #
#
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 4:12 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> I don't have the energy to chase my tail like you do.
Hahahahahahahaha. Troll.
Geremy Condra
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On Jan 16, 5:16 pm, Adam Skutt wrote:
[...snip: emotionally nonsensical hyperbole...]
Adam. Arguing with you is like masturbating with a cheese-grater...
slightly amusing, but mostly painful. I don't have the energy to chase
my tail like you do.
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On Jan 16, 5:14 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 1/16/2011 1:27 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > least look at the awesome screen shots here...
>
> > http://www.wxpython.org/screenshots.php
>
> I did. Well, they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!". To me,
> these are mostly awesomely ugly, ug
On Jan 16, 2:17 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> The IDLE library has had a NoteBook widget for ages. They just choose
> to call it TabPages instead. And what is a NoteBook exactly? Well a
> Notebook is a compound widget consisting of a "main frame that holds
> two sub frames -- which are a "tab" frame an
On Jan 16, 6:04 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > If the situation isn't
> > the same on your computer then your application usage is highly unusual
> > or you don't understand what widgets are used to construct your
> > applications. You've just told me that Python would no longer be
> > suitable f
On 1/16/11 2:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Ok so you're complaining about a "Mac specific" missing functionality?
Um, yes.
Ok, even if it looks "out of place" this is another "Mac Specific"
problem.
Yes, it sure does. "Mac-specific"=="important."
3. wxPython applications do not make use of
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Tim Harig wrote:
> On 2011-01-16, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> If the author thinks that Go is a "tried and true" (his words, not mine)
>> language "where programmers can go to look for work", I think he's
>> fooling himself.
>
> No I wouldn't say that it has reached
On Jan 16, 11:30 am, rantingrick wrote:
> Adam your post is so incoherent that i cannot decide if you are FOR or
> AGAINST changing the current Tkinter GUI module into a wxPython GUI
> module. And this widget set that you keep referring to is a bit vague
> also.
If you found my post incoherent t
On 1/16/2011 1:27 PM, rantingrick wrote:
least look at the awesome screen shots here...
http://www.wxpython.org/screenshots.php
I did. Well, they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!". To me,
these are mostly awesomely ugly, ugly, ugly. Shot 1: Ugly gray field
followed by shot2:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:18:16 -0800, Adam Skutt wrote:
[...]
I'm afraid I found most of your post hard to interpret, because you
didn't give sufficient context for me to understand it. You refer to "his
proposed widget set", but with no clue as to who he is, or what the
widget set is, or what e
On Jan 16, 5:03 am, Tim Harig wrote:
> Personally, I think the time is ripe for a language that bridges the
> gap between ease of use dynamic languages with the performance and
> distribution capabilities of a full systems level language.
Bravo!
> This is after
> all the promise the VM based
On 2011-01-16 12:44:35 -0800, Zeynel said:
On Jan 16, 3:24 pm, TomF wrote:
vote refers to the Vote instance.
So he must have instatiated previously like
vote = Vote()
is this correct?
Yes.
So I have a model
class Item(db.Model):
title = db.StringProperty()
url = db.StringPro
On Jan 16, 2011, at 2:05 PM, TomF wrote:
> I'm trying to multiprocess my python code to take advantage of multiple
> cores. I've read the module docs for threading and multiprocessing, and I've
> done some web searches. All the examples I've found are too simple: the
> processes take simple
On Jan 16, 3:24 pm, TomF wrote:
> vote refers to the Vote instance.
So he must have instatiated previously like
vote = Vote()
is this correct?
So I have a model
class Item(db.Model):
title = db.StringProperty()
url = db.StringProperty()
date = db.DateTimeProperty(auto_now_add=Tru
On 1/16/2011 12:59 PM, Zeynel wrote:
What does vote.vote refer to in this snippet?
"vote" is an instance of the Vote class, and "vote.vote" is the value of
the "vote" attribute on that instance. In this case, that will be an int.
More precisely, "vote.vote" is a value managed by the "vote"
On 2011-01-16 11:59:11 -0800, Zeynel said:
What does vote.vote refer to in this snippet?
def txn():
quote = Quote.get_by_id(quote_id)
vote = Vote.get_by_key_name(key_names = user.email(), parent =
quote)
if vote is None:
vote = Vote(key_name = user.email(
Hi Kathy,
The defaults only get assigned when you leave them out of the list. This
will work the way you want by setting b & c to the defaults.
print my_func(a)
When you try this;
a = "testing"
b = "defaults"
print my_func(a, b, c)
What does vote.vote refer to in this snippet?
def txn():
quote = Quote.get_by_id(quote_id)
vote = Vote.get_by_key_name(key_names = user.email(), parent =
quote)
if vote is None:
vote = Vote(key_name = user.email(), parent = quote)
if vote.vote == new
On Jan 16, 12:59 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> I'm quite familiar with the wxPython demo. I've got the latest
> incarnation, from 2.9.x, installed on my machine. The latest version is
> quite nice, especially with the AUI widgets, and the underlying
> wxWidgets libraries are finally up-to-date on my
> Instead of explaining my problem and asking for design suggestions,
> I'll ask: is there a compendium of realistic Python multiprocessing
> examples somewhere?
Not that I've ever seen.
> Or an open source project to look at?
OpenGroupware Coils uses multiprocessing [in conjunction with AMQ]
On Jan 16, 12:49 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Once IDLE is revised to use some of the widgets in ttk that are not in
> tk (such as Notebook) the set would need expansion.
The IDLE library has had a NoteBook widget for ages. They just choose
to call it TabPages instead. And what is a NoteBook exactly
I'm trying to multiprocess my python code to take advantage of multiple
cores. I've read the module docs for threading and multiprocessing,
and I've done some web searches. All the examples I've found are too
simple: the processes take simple inputs and compute a simple value.
My problem inv
On 1/16/11 1:27 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 16, 11:39 am, Kevin Walzer wrote:
First of all welcome back to the discussion Kevin. You and i both
appreciate and use Tkinter extensively and your input is most welcome
here. You are a smart and level headed fella which makes for good
discussion. T
On 1/16/2011 11:30 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Toplevel
Label
Entry
Button
Radiobutton
Checkbutton
Canvas
Textbox
Listbox
Menu
Scale
Scrollbar
...thats all you need in the std library "widget wise".
Once IDLE is revised to use some of the widgets in ttk that are not in
tk (such as Notebook) the se
On Jan 16, 11:39 am, Kevin Walzer wrote:
First of all welcome back to the discussion Kevin. You and i both
appreciate and use Tkinter extensively and your input is most welcome
here. You are a smart and level headed fella which makes for good
discussion. Thanks for that! Ok, let the battle begin!
On 1/16/2011 4:22 AM, jmfauth wrote:
After having read the discussion about the issue 1602,
http://bugs.python.org/issue1602, I came to the idea
to test Python with the PowerShell. I thought, it
could help and manage "unicode" better than the
std "dosbox" does
My experience with PowerShell is cl
On 1/16/2011 4:10 AM, Mark Summerfield wrote:
Regarding http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html
- in the first argparse example the comment says "one of four allowed
values", but the choices list has only three items so I wonder if this
is correct?
- in the coverage of PEP code
On 1/16/11 11:30 AM, rantingrick wrote:
###
# Start Quote by Rick #
###
Exactly! All we need to do is replace the existing Tkinter with a
small sub-set of wxPython widgets that mirrors exactly what we have
now...
Toplevel
Label
Entry
Button
Radiobutton
Ch
On Jan 15, 3:43 pm, Michael Hunter wrote:
> I think you are probably coming at this from the wrong direction.
> Either you want to solve your family tree problem in the easiest way
> possible in which case there are already packages available or you
> want to develop this because you want to do t
On Jan 16, 9:18 am, Adam Skutt wrote:
> You need a tremendous set to write /the majority of the applications
> on your computer/.
[...snip incessant rambling...]
Adam your post is so incoherent that i cannot decide if you are FOR or
AGAINST changing the current Tkinter GUI module into a wxPytho
On Sunday 16 January 2011 08:35, geremy condra wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Aman wrote:
>> It would be great if you people could guide me as to what to proceed with
>> and how.
>
> Here's what I would do:
[Snip advice]
Maybe it would be good to expand the Getting Started material
Hi All,
Is there is a way to print or use the value of new in the main function of
the script below?
from thread import start_new_thread, allocate_lock
num_threads = 0
thread_started = False
lock = allocate_lock()
def heron(a):
global num_threads, thread_started
lock.acquire()
num_
On 1/16/2011 6:49 AM Cathy James said...
Dear all,
I can't thank you enough for taking time from your busy schedules to assist
me (and others) in my baby steps with Python. Learning about functions now
and wondering about some things commented in my code below. Maybe someone
can break it down fo
On Jan 14, 5:17 pm, Albert van der Horst
wrote:
>
> I really don't follow that. You need a tremendous set to write gimp.
> Obviously you won't write gimp in Python.
>
You need a tremendous set to write /the majority of the applications
on your computer/.
On my desktop right now, I have running:
Dear all,
I can't thank you enough for taking time from your busy schedules to assist
me (and others) in my baby steps with Python. Learning about functions now
and wondering about some things commented in my code below. Maybe someone
can break it down for me and show me why i cant print the funct
On 2011-01-16, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:47:35 +, Tim Harig wrote:
>
>> One of the things that gives me hope
>> for Go is that it is backed by Google so I expect that it may gain some
>> rather rapid adoption. It has made enough of a wake to grab one of
>> Eweek's 18 top
Just an info, addendum.
>>> sys.version
'3.2rc1 (r32rc1:88035, Jan 15 2011, 21:05:51) [MSC v.1500 32 bit
(Intel)]'
>>> compile('if True:\r\nprint(999)\r\n', '', 'exec')
at 0x023CA610, file "", line 2>
>>> exec(compile('if True:\r\nprint(999)\r\n', '', 'exec'))
999
>>>
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http://mail.p
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:47:35 +, Tim Harig wrote:
> One of the things that gives me hope
> for Go is that it is backed by Google so I expect that it may gain some
> rather rapid adoption. It has made enough of a wake to grab one of
> Eweek's 18 top languages for 2011.
If the author thinks tha
On 2011-01-16, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Tim Harig writes:
>> Those who are concerned about performance should check out Go.
>> Garbage collection, duck typing, and compiles to a native binary.
>> It creates a great middle ground between C++ and Python. Any C and/or
>> Python programmer will feel righ
John Nagle, 16.01.2011 07:03:
Threading is supported
but thread concurrency is marginal. The most common implementation is
a naive interpreter with reference counting backed up by a mark
and sweep garbage collector. Performance is about 1/60 of
optimized C code.
That's Python.
Since the OP is
After having read the discussion about the issue 1602,
http://bugs.python.org/issue1602, I came to the idea
to test Python with the PowerShell. I thought, it
could help and manage "unicode" better than the
std "dosbox" does
My experience with PowerShell is closed to zero, so
take the following as
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:33:41 +0100
Georg Brandl wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On behalf of the Python development team, I'm very happy to announce
> the first release candidate of Python 3.2.
[snip]
Regarding http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.2.html
- in the f
Tim Harig writes:
> Those who are concerned about performance should check out Go.
> Garbage collection, duck typing, and compiles to a native binary.
> It creates a great middle ground between C++ and Python. Any C and/or
> Python programmer will feel right at home with the language. It is
> st
On 2011-01-16, John Nagle wrote:
> On 1/15/2011 10:48 PM, Aman wrote:
>> @nagle Means you are suggesting me not to proceed with Python because I've
>> had experience with C++?
>
>No, Python is quite useful, but on the slow side. If you're I/O
> bound, not time critical, or otherwise not perf
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