Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Yeah, right. You know, when I was pointing out Calvin not being very brave by attacking a bunch of people without giving names, my aim was to merely point out how dishonest and disrespectful his attitude his. *Not* to encourage someone to turn his post into more of a clusterfuck of personal att

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris Barker via Python-ideas writes: > We now have anecdotal evidence that "beautiful is better than ugly" > can be offensive out of context. Other than that, we have people > "suspecting" or "imagining" that some people "may" find it > offensive in context. "Sam" at yandex.ru did not even d

[Python-ideas] Combine f-strings with i18n

2018-09-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Hans Polak writes: > The second problem is that I need to translate strings on the fly. I don't understand what that means. gettext() does exactly that. Do you mean you need to switch languages on the fly? > I propose to add a f''.language() method to the f-string format. > > Rationale: >

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread David Mertz
You have missed the use of *reductio ad absurdum* in my comment and several others. This argument structure is one of the fundamental forms of good logical reasoning, and shows nothing dismissive or insulting. The specifics book titles I used were carefully chosen, and you'd do well to think about

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread David Mertz
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 4:34 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < [email protected]> wrote: > I would also disagree with Greg Ewing's take on "robot". It may have > meant "slave" in the original Czech, but in English it has strong > connotations of "automaton" and an inherent lack of autonomy

[Python-ideas] Retire or reword the namesake of the Language

2018-09-16 Thread Widom PsychoPath
Guten Tag, I am Jack and I am grateful to see the efficiency of scientific computing in Python. However, What deeply saddens me is that the namesake "Python" has unfortunately been derived from the title of the uncivilised British jester troupe "Monty Python". This is something that deeply infuri

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the namesake of the Language

2018-09-16 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:14 PM, Widom PsychoPath wrote: > I hereby propose that the Language should be renamed to Cobra, after > the brilliant military strategist Cobra Commander , who has been > history's most efficient and brilliant strategist. > > Yours forever, > Jack Daniels Now THAT is the

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Steve Barnes
On 16/09/2018 10:45, David Mertz wrote: > You have missed the use of *reductio ad absurdum* in my comment and > several others. This argument structure is one of the fundamental forms > of good logical reasoning, and shows nothing dismissive or insulting. > The specifics book titles I used we

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the namesake of the Language

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
There's already a thing named Cobra. https://github.com/opencobra/cobrapy "Python (mythology)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(mythology) ... Serpent/Dragon guarding the omphalos. "Ouroboros" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros Monty Python themed Python language things: - The Che

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Jan Claeys
On Fri, 2018-09-14 at 22:09 +0200, Davide Rizzo wrote: > At one Python conference in Italy, participants were given an > elegantly designed and well-crafted t-shirt with a writing in large > characters that read "Beautiful is better than ugly" in reference to > the Zen of Python. Back home, a close

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the namesake of the Language

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
Anyways, speaking of dragons, here are some ideas for new logos: "Strong Bad Email #58: Dragon" https://youtu.be/90X5NJleYJQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python On Sunday, September 16, 2018, Wes Turner wrote: > There's already a thing named Cobra. > > https://github.com/opencobra/cobra

[Python-ideas] SEC: Spectre variant 2: GCC: -mindirect-branch=thunk -mindirect-branch-register

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
Should Python builds add `-mindirect-branch=thunk -mindirect-branch-register` to CFLAGS? Where would this be to be added in the build scripts with which architectures? /QSpectre is the MSVC build flag for Spectre Variant 1: > The /Qspectre option is available in Visual Studio 2017 version 15.7 a

Re: [Python-ideas] SEC: Spectre variant 2: GCC: -mindirect-branch=thunk -mindirect-branch-register

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, September 16, 2018, Wes Turner wrote: > Should Python builds add `-mindirect-branch=thunk > -mindirect-branch-register` to CFLAGS? > > Where would this be to be added in the build scripts with which > architectures? > > /QSpectre is the MSVC build flag for Spectre Variant 1: > > > The

[Python-ideas] +1 Pre-conditions and post-conditions by Kaufmann

2018-09-16 Thread James Lu
In response to your Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:14:43: A good and thoughtful read. I agree with all your points. +1. ___ Python-ideas mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
On Saturday, September 15, 2018, Franklin? Lee < [email protected]> wrote: > I am very disappointed with the responses to this thread. We have > mockery, dismissiveness, and even insinuations about OP's > psychological health. Whether or not OP is a troll, and whether or not > OP's ide

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
On Sunday, September 16, 2018, Wes Turner wrote: > > It may be most relevant to interpret the poem as it is: culled from > various writings of the community. > > What do we need to remember? Our criticism can hurt fragile feelings and > egos; which we need to check at the door. > Dear Python com

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Franklin? Lee
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Yeah, right. > > You know, when I was pointing out Calvin not being very brave by > attacking a bunch of people without giving names, my aim was to merely > point out how dishonest and disrespectful his attitude his. *Not* to > encourage s

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

2018-09-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:32:26 -0400 "Franklin? Lee" wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:14 AM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Yeah, right. > > > > You know, when I was pointing out Calvin not being very brave by > > attacking a bunch of people without giving names, my aim was to merely > > point out

Re: [Python-ideas] SEC: Spectre variant 2: GCC: -mindirect-branch=thunk -mindirect-branch-register

2018-09-16 Thread Wes Turner
Are all current Python builds and C extensions vulnerable to Spectre variants {1, 2, *}? There are now multiple threads: "SEC: Spectre variant 2: GCC: -mindirect-branch=thunk -mindirect-branch-register" - https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/[email protected]/thread/4BGE226DB5EWIAT5VC

Re: [Python-ideas] Retire or reword the namesake of the Language

2018-09-16 Thread Jacco van Dorp
Yeah, sounds about as sensible as the recent "ban ugly" campaign. +1. Op zo 16 sep. 2018 om 15:49 schreef Wes Turner : > Anyways, speaking of dragons, here are some ideas for new logos: > > "Strong Bad Email #58: Dragon" > https://youtu.be/90X5NJleYJQ > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Pytho