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Subissues from my opening post not resolved in rev85732
"version of python installed with Tk support.": cap 'python' to 'Python'
Is there any st
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thanking the respondent, you could try answering 'why' ('I am using a custom
build.'). Just remember that python-list and mirrors are like the Wi
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in fix_urllib.py #10286) and other stuff. Which do you actually prefer, upgrade
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1. In 3.1, ssl *is* documented as optional in the sense of dependent on an
external library. "This module uses the OpenSSL library. It is available on all
m
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>>> list(range(10, 500, 100))
[10, 110, 210, 310, 410]
# those are all billions
This means that the 'equivalent' code in the doc will wor
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+1 from me on a table at the top of the functions page.
I am assuming that the markup will induce hotlinks.
The main problem I see is the need to hand rewrite when another function is
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The sentence should be deleted. Print is *not* used in any of the previous
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1. Rather than add a blank line to the output, the input should have the
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print("""\
2. It is rather difficult to see that there is no blank at the end (highlight
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As near as I can tell, since && and || are logical rather than bitwise, and
since the variable reference 'quotetabs' has no side effect, you are correct.
Have you run the unittest on a patched build?
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This is an editor rather than Python problem. Are you using the IDLE editor or
something else. Which version of Windows?
Orange and purple are IDLE's default for keywords and built-in names. But
running 3.1.2 under XP, I have no problem as you des
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class Foo: pass
In library manual 2. Built-in Functions, class examples for classmethod and
staticmethod are the same. Class exampl
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If it is an editor window that you launch from IDLE, with a red script Tk in
the upper left corner, with 'About IDLE' on the help menu, then it is an IDLE
editor window and part of IDLE -- and appropriate for bug reports here ;-).
This could be
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I take that as a yes, IDLE edit window. 2.5 is beyond fixing at this point, but
that is useful data. I will look out for this problem when I load Python on
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Yes, this could be reopened with a patch. Someone else would have to judge its
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Looks good in a cursory reading. I presume trace test still passes.
If you change the signature of the renamed functions, that would break the
current wrappings. Would you use new private functions with different names, or
change the wrappings where possible
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Tim told me to continue with this as he has no time.
rev86401 - apply 3.1 doc fix
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Tim told me to continue with this as he has no time.
rev86401 - apply 3.1 doc fix
I cannot apply 2.7 patch. I has different header lines. In particular,
TortoiseSVN cannot fetch nonexistent revision "Mon Aug 30 06:37:52 2010 +0300".
Please regenera
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Only thing left is patch for 3.2, which Eli and I will produce.
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1. I decided to add '\' since this is what I normally do and also add one
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2. I changed ending from ' ' to ','.
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The .../orig.html link now works and was last updated in August.
It has a link to .../robotstext.html.
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Thank you for reporting back. This could be closed as invalid, but since I
think this is something I should have known or guessed, I will leave it open
for now as a reminder to look at the docs sometime and see if anything should
be added somewhere
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>What is the best way to pass around source code?
> - file-like objects, line iterators, readline-like function?
Line iterator (list of lines) as returned by open().readlines.
Memory should not be an issue. Read disk once and close.
with open('fil
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That suggests that the last statement needs to be guarded somehow.
I re-versioned to 3.2 because 3.1.final will be out very soon.
I expect 3.2 and 2.7 should have same problem.
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>[Copied from Issue10070.]
which is to say (for the benefit of other reviewers):
This was a minor sub-issue mentioned there in passing and independent of the
main issue and ignored in the extensive discussion thereof.
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1. Does the markup make any visual difference?
2. Does the markup affect the index?
3. What do other module docs do?
I notice that 'Tkinter' appears in several section headings. Is it marked? (Is
the upper case a holdover that should be lowercased?
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I see the marker pointing to the space after '=', which is *really* not
helpful. If '5' were instead an identifier, one might be really misdirected. So
best would be "Invalid char '0x' at position n in identifier &#
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This stuff is hard to write automated tests for, hence there are none.
The patch is mostly straightforward: capture errno with new variable err at
point of possible error when intervening calculation is needed before testing
the value of errno. This seems
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>Line iterator does not carry the information about source encoding
which may be important for annotating the source code.
I would pass around both encoding and lines, possibly as a tuple.
A person heavily into OO might define a _Source class and turn
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>http://docs.python.org/dev/contents.html
The only thing I see there is the bold-facing of *PEP 3101*.
Is that what you are referring to?
In any case, with Georg's concurrence go ahead with this and any other modules
you ca
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That should be, for 2.7 or 3.2, as 3.1 is nearly finished.
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This still needs to be verified that there is a problem with a *current*
release. That means 2.7.1 (rc just out) or 3.2 (a4 just out).
If this would be considered a security issue (I do not know) then 'current'
includes 2.5.5, 2.6.6, and 3.1.3 (r
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I presume you mean this:
if self._is_special:
if self.is_snan():
-raise TypeError('Cannot hash a signaling NaN value.')
+raise ValueError('Cannot hash a signaling NaN value.')
My underst
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"
The optional source parameter can be used to initialize the array in a few
different ways:
...
If it is an integer, the array will have that size and will be initialized with
null bytes.
...
Without an argumen
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Doc says it implements 'a large subset of the IMAP4rev1 client protocol as
defined in RFC 2060." I do not remember any discussion on pydev, over the last
several years, about imaplib.
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Georg, what is policy on removed features?
Remove doc or leave and state removed?
"Deprecated in version 3.2 and removed in 3.3."
or just
"Removed in version 3.3"
(Once removed, does it really matter when deprecated?)
If left, sho
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2.6 is in security-fix only mode (though this might qualify as a security
issue). Can you test with a current version (2.7.1, 3.2.0)?
That said, most problems with extensions crashing are with the extension,
though hard to determine sometimes
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With 3.2, (Winxp) I get combobox with first line,
input as
r'C:\Python31\Lib\tkinter\test\test_ttk',
displayed as
"C:Python31Lib kinter est est_ttk"
Something either deleted \ or converted \t to tab.
Indeed, adding a space to the
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Test cases always help when appropriate.
A link to the Pypy code that does this might also help.
Or perhaps ask them to submit a patch to this issue.
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import re
r = re.compile(r'(\w+)*=.*')
r.match("abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz")
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Alexandre,
Do the considerations against pickling apply to deep copying? It would seem
that copying bytecode and pointer within a run should be ok.
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In Language Ref, 6.2 assignments, delete
"(This rule is relaxed as of Python 1.5; in earlier versions, the object had to
be a tuple. Since strings are sequences, an assignment like a, b = "xy" is now
legal as long as the string has t
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Agreed. The footnote is "[1] It may occur within an except or else clause. The
restriction on occurring in the try clause is implementor’s laziness and will
eventually be lifted. "
I searched chapter for all occurences of '1' and als
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Conversion is underway today. Completion should be announced at least on the
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>The basic problem is that the class object is defined after the class
>definitions have been made,
I have sometimes thought the the class statement could start with binding the
name to a blank object or new, blank class object. But then people might
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I agree that compile-time stack exhaustion is different from runtime
object-heap exhaustion and could/should have a different error.
I agree with Martin (from 2000) that SyntaxError is not right either. Perhaps a
new ParseError subclass thereof. I believe
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I am inclined to -1 also.
a. The proposed behavior is anti-obvious to me: the higher the height, the
shorter the result. Calling param 'drop' would be better.
b. Not every one-liner should be wrapped.
>>> path.rsplit('/',0)
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the libc system calls
>From #9299, msg111014 (Guido)
"I wonder if os.mkdir() should not be left alone (so as to continue
to match the system call most exactly, as is our co
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No IANA registration. According to
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Webp
this is a Google-specific proposal rather than a standard.
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What behavior do you expect when pipe goes first?
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Doc issues should be 'tested' and reported against the latest versions. 2.6.6
doc is effectively the last 2.6 version.
TextTextRunner is not completely undocumented.
In 3.2
>>> help(t.run)
Help on function run in module unittest.runn
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I also see that TextTestRunner has an attribute resultclass, which is
TextTestResult. Is this intended to be ever changed?
The docstring for TTRunner says "It prints out the names of tests as they are
run, errors as they occur, and a summary of the re
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from tkinter import tk #or Tkinter
...
App()
I get a window with a buttom that sinks and raises as I press and release the
left button.
Please post complete runnable code that exhibits the problem.
Do not
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runnerclass=None, warnings=None)
stream is documented, the others are not (except for some garbled text about
warnings). "This class has a few configurable parameters, &qu
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I thought I posted this on another issue, but cannot find it.
My installed 3.2 Tools directory only has i8n, pynche, and scripts directories.
The 3.2 repository has 12 other directories in Tools that are missing from the
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print("a"*66000)
works (after some delay) running from an IDLE edit window (but see #144249).
Works means that I get a working prompt back with no errors.
Unlike IDLE, the Command Prompt Windows keeps a limited number of lines in its
buffers (def
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For future reference, struct.pack, not mentioned here, is a binary bytes
formatting function. It can mix ascii bytes with binary octets. It works the
same in Python 2 and 3.
Str.bytes does two things: convert objects to strings according to the contents
of
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attached patch adds the sentence:
If a count is not given, it defaults to 1; ``'s'`` means the same as ``'1s'``.
(Until I experimented, I had thought no
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binary block is preceded by a 4 byte *binary* count, one can do something which
is n
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