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>>> help(inspect.getabsfile) could be copied
getabsfile(object, _filename=None)
Return an absolute path to the source or compiled file for an object.
The idea is for each object to have a unique origin, so this routine
normalizes t
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>From the title, I would infer the doc (which is much easier ;-).
If so, can you suggest an actual revised text?
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>>> type(sys.stdin)
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That, like Antoine, I also could not reproduce, even in 3.2.0, when running
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>>> sys.stdin.readl
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After more thought and investigation, I have changed my opinions on this issue.
Allowing unicode string for locale in 2.7:
Since the module predates unicode strings (it is in 1.5) and since the locale
string is passed to a C function, 'string' in t
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Victor, the issue for 3.x, which remains, is to improve the error message. I
also suggested a doc change, though I would like Mark or Martin's comments
before I would make it.
>But I think that the commit is just useless because we will have to wa
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from collections import namedtuple as _namedtuple
Match = _namedtuple('Match', 'a b size')
and used for the return values of SeqeunceMatcher.get_longest_match and
.get_m
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After thinking about this awhile, I see the key sentence of David's reply as
"The data type of the arguments to the method have no necessary relationship
with the datatype of the object." While true in general, in it not true with
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Verified with 3.2.0 on WinXP (Jacob, I/O issues, including keyboard, especially
need system specified. What is yours? If Windows, this might be
Windows-specific.)
With CAPS LOCK on, Cntl-N, Cntl-O
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With a bit of searching, HOST == support.HOST == 'localhost'. Looking at the
traceback, it is socket that fails, not telnetlib or its test. Hence the
clearer title.
I am still curious what you propose: catch and skip or something else? For
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Soren, this is an issue that claimed a bug, not a bug. The resolution is that
the claim appears false because the problem arose from using unicode rather
than bytes url. The error message may be confusing, but the error class cannot
be changed. Senthil says
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A crash is a segfault or equivalent.
Python 2.6 only gets security fixes.
PyAMF does not run on Python 3. Hence a problem with PyAMF is no evidence of a
problem with 3.x. Separate tests/examples would be needed.
Changes are not bugs unless they introduce a
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Did things like "u'a'+'\xf0'" work in 2.6- (with implicit latin-1 decoding)? (I
do not have 2.6 loaded.)
The doc for seq+seq (concatenation) in the language reference section 5.6.
Binary arithmetic operations says that both s
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Vlad, thanks for delving into this. Your two header changes are contradictory.
If this is a feature request, then it is 3.3 only. If this is a behavior (bug)
issue, then 3.2 should be included ;-). 'higstar's second comment indicates
'feature
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I presume we are discussing Chapter 4. Execution model. I do not see any
mention there of the difference between function definition and body execution
time. The section of def statements (7.6) has this: "The function definition
does not execute the fun
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Running your code with 2.7.2 gives:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Programs\Python27\misc\tem.py", line 41, in
unittest.main(testRunner=runner)
File "C:\Programs\Python27\lib\unittest\main.py", line 95, in __init
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In 2.7, bytes is an alias for str to aid porting to 3.x.
>>> bytes is str
True
>>> type(bytes())
I suspect the doc uses 'bytes' rather than 'str' because it was backported from
3.x. Perhaps it should be changed but
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The parenthetical comment is a complete sentence, and no longer trivial. I
would separate it and write it more simply as
"... their code. (This obviously does not apply to new classes, functions, or
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The patch to the multiprocessing code is trivial:
+del cache[self._job]
The difference in tests is
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versus
+p.join()
Victor, do you agree with the simpler method
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I agree with adding '(absolute value)'. I think the following covers the NaN
behavior. "NaN acts as a positive value that cannot be negated." This should be
added to both doc and docstring.
I do not think we generally specify the n
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Brett, Nick, this could be considered a patch to the import machinery as the
bugs shows with a import statement. In any case, no one is signed up for
zipimport specifically.
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This a type of feature request and such a change would only go into a new
version. Given the absence of response from djc, perhaps this should be closed
as languishing-postponed?
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In 3.2, winxp, (with Tkinter => tkinter), I get
invalid command name "12277720callit"
while executing
"12277720callit"
("after" script)
and no new prompt and ^C ineffective. Had to kill command window.
With IDLE, get n
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I am following Andrew's suggestion. This issue can serve as 'don't do that' doc.
The 3.2 README has been edited and slimmed down by Georg Brandl. It is limited
to general build instructions. It would not be the place for such a nit. It
do
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The original snippet works the same on 3.2.0. Was their any conclusion as to
whether or not a change should be made?
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Naoyuki, unless you can confirm that Daniel's patch works, we will have to
close this as out-of-date.
Martin: PEP 11 lists platforms no-longer supported, but does not list those
that are. For writing/reviewing patches like this, it would be helpful
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The patch adds this check:
+ if not filename.endswith((".pyc", ".pyo", ".py")):
+continue
This is not valid. A Python file is a text file with python code. In spite of
import conventions, they are not r
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Should this be closed for the same reason #1730480 was?
If not, would this effectively be a feature request and have to wait for a new
version (3.3)?
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The original bug claim is invalid. But the following (3.2.0, winxp) strike me
as a bug, hence the title change
>>> class A: pass
>>> '' % A()
''
>>> '' % object()
...
TypeError: not all arguments conve
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Sridhar, is there still a problem with current 3.2/3?
If you are no longer working on this, I think we should close as
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What did you mean by 'crash'? An exception or a segfault or equivalent?
I believe the finalization code was reworked a bit last fall, so could you
determine whether or not there is still a problem in 3.2.1? Do not bother with
3.1.4 unless you think
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With 32bit winxp Windows Task Manager open to Processes, sorted by Men Usage, I
verified expanding memory usage in 3.2.0 (and stopped at 200 mb versus normal
<20Mb). While we do not expect compiler to catch while True: pass, it would be
nice if this
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Trying 3.2 code with 2.7, I got this (greatly simplified):
from __future__ import print_function
from io import StringIO
print('hello world', file=StringIO())
Traceback...
TypeError: string argument expected, got 'str'
(StringIO.Str
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A default of 1 in not implicit for output formatting.
%s and {:s} mean however long needed, not %1s or {:1s}
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Those others field types have a standard or system-dependent fixed size and a
number is an optional repeat count. Format 's' is always a single field because
number prefix for that is special -- a field size.
"For the 's' forma
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Hmm. Python 3 code is unicode. "Python reads program text as Unicode code
points." The tokenize module purports to provide "a lexical scanner for Python
source code". But it seems not to do that. Instead it provides a scanner for
Python c
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What platform? It sometimes makes a difference with tcl/tk and hence idle.
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My original suggestion is a minimal change suggestion. I do not have much
opinion on what the maximum change 'should' be.
It would obviously be nice from a user viewpoint if the error message were
backported to say "unicode argument exp
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I think supporters of this feature request should take discussion to
python-ideas to try to gather more support. The initial post should summarize
reasons for the request, possible implementations, and the counter-arguments of
Raymond.
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Choose pydev if you want. Discussion there is *usually* (but definitely not
always) more focused on implementation of uncontroversial changes. I am pretty
much +-0 on the issue, though Jean-Paul's post seems to add to the + side
arguments that mig
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Choose pydev if you want. Discussion there is *usually* (but definitely not
always) more focused on implementation of uncontroversial changes. I am pretty
much +-0 on the issue, though Jean-Paul's post seems to add to the + side
arguments that mig
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Two messages deleted at Hans' request since he opened #12558
Hans says there that he could not reproduce *this* issue with 3.2.
Herm, please retry with 3.2 as 3.1.4 is last bugfix for 3.1 series.
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>The fileutils.patch patch attached to this issue directly addresses what's
>wrong in issue 5999; I'd consider it closed, ...
When an patch is committed that fixes that issue, say so there and I or someone
will close it.
>From issue 125
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This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as needed symbol index entries goes.
Nearly 3 years ago, I wrote a Python 3 symbol glossary "Python3 Syntax Symbol
Uses" that was complete as far as I knew then. I think most of the entries
there sho
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The pastebin link gives me a blank box. In any case, a one-month retention does
not work for the tracker. If you do get an error traceback indicating an error
in CPython or its library, post it here. However, your post so far strongly
suggests that the error
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I agree with Nick's rationale for the current order, and also like his idea of
indicating that the first traceback is truncated (which has not been completely
obvious to me). Bike-shedding a bit, I would prefer something more like:
Truncated traceba
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I just 'upgraded' to 3.2.1 on my XP machine and I see the same with F5-run,
which restarts before running the saved file. This appears to be a nasty
regression from 3.2.0 that should have been a release blocker if caught
earlier. I believe it meri
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I perhaps misunderstood your question. I ran files from the command line as as
'python whatever', not 'whatever' so only python would care about an extension.
I do not have a file association to 'run' a file, with or without
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I went back and reread from the beginning, instead of merely answering the
question you asked when adding me as nosy. More comments:
Windows file associations are so disfunctional that you should not depend on
them being anything in particular. I nearly
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much to review all at once. A somewhat separate subissue is whether there
should be however many separate issues over the next however many years or one
master issue with multiple
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> expression must evaluate to a sequence.
To be clear, Eli quoted the doc correctly and Eric correctly suggested that
'sequence' needs to be updated to 'iterable' (in at least two places). Since
the patch for this issue will be addi
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This nasty bug really can cause severe problems. If a zombie process ran a
tkinter (tk) window, then attempting to logout/restart/shutdown eventually
brings up a window I have never seen before: End Process -- EmbeddedMenuWindow.
The message window shows a
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Restart is not required to create a zombie. Just start IDLE and quit, and the
second, user process does not disappear.
Reverting completely does not seem possible. I first just ran the 3.2 installer
and it did not complain, that I noticed, about replacing a
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classes should behave the same. The manual 4.6.4 says
s[i:j:k] = t the elements of s[i:j:k] are replaced by those of t (1)
1. t must have the same length as the slice it is replacing
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Good question.
Peter, you said Vista x64. Are you running 32 or 64 bit Python?
My system with the apparently irreversible problem is 32 bit xp home.
I am reluctant to test on my daughter's 64 bit laptop as I do not know that I
would be able to r
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>From a top level view, the patch adds PyAST_Validate (with helpers) to ast.c
>and one call to PyAST_Validate in bltinmodule.c in builtin_compile(). The
>added tests do every silly thing you can think of.
Does PyAST_Validate get invoked for all
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@skip # so do not run without backend
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If so, I think we
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Eli, nice detective work. What I understand is that there was a latent
platform-dependent buglet that presumably got exposed by a recent change in
process handling, as Ned suggested.
idlelib/PyShell.py, class ModifiedInterpreter(InteractiveInterpreter) has
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I mentioned pipes because half of the subprocess chapter, it seems, talks about
them. ASo I got the mis-impression that they are special for subprocess-started
processes. But if the subprocess gets the args it needs to connect to a socket,
it should not care
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special when it comes to names in a single namespace. What I think the
paragraph should say, if not just
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