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2.6/3.1 only get security patches. 3.4 is for future enhancements what will not
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> but if #11957 is fixed, the result will look like
re.Regex('abc', re.I|re.S)
That is what I would like to see.
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The proposal is to change the definition of numbers literals from X to one that
is context-sensitive: X followed by whitespace or a syntactic symbol but not
anything else, in particular, not by an identifier_start character. I am +-0 at
the moment.
> 1
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I am running 3.2.2 on 64-bit Win7Pro, which should not make a difference. So
why did ^H work right for me yesterday and not for Marco today.
Retrying with fresh IDLEs I discovered the following: selections do not
initially appear in the find part of a
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Looks good to me.
help(token) already has the corrections. - BACKQUOTE, + RARROW, ELLIPSIS
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2.7 is closed to new features. This looks like it mignt be one. The 2.7 doc for
tarfile.open says "Return a TarFile object for the pathname name." Does the
meaning of 'pathname' in 2.7 generally include unicode as well as str objects
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Martin, after reading most all of the unusually large sequence of messages, I
am closing this because three of the core developers with the most experience
in this area are dead-set against your proposal. That does not make it 'wrong',
but does me
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When I run this with 3.2.2 IDLE, from an edit window, I get an MSVC++ Runtime
Library window: "Runtime Error! .../pythonw This application has requested
termination in an unusual way...". When I close that, IDLE continues. So I
would say that thi
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Given that equality is not identify, order does matter, although in 3.2.2 the
results are the opposite of what one might expect.
a = set((1,2,3))
b = set((1.0, 3.0, 5.0))
print(a&b, b&a)
print(a.intersection(b), b.intersection(a))
a &= b
print(
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> so mimicking the changed prompt would require querying the subprocess for its
> sys.ps1 and sys.ps2.
Is that sensibly possible? Any line of code can change those, so IDLE would
have to do the equivalent of
idle.ps1,idle.ps2 = sys.ps1, sys.ps2 before
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With that explanation, that it is one case out of six that fails, for whatever
reason, I agree.
That leaves the issue of whether the fix is the right one. I currently agree
with Victor that we should do what the rest of Python does and what is most
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@maniram I know what IDLE does. For the tracker, a 'bug' is a discrepancy
between doc and behavior. According to the doc, a recursion loop should
continue forever, just like an iteration loop ;=).
Anyway, Roger is right, this is a duplicate of #6
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#6028 has a proposed patch.
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I believe #3555, #7338, and *13644 are basically duplicates of this issue. I
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should be tested with the other examples.
I agree with Antoine that an intentional exit is not a crash.
I
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As I understand the patched code, it only fixes the issue for unicode names
that can be latin-1 encoded and that other unicode names will raise the same
exception with 'latin-1' (or equivalent) substituted for 'ascii'. So it is easy
fo
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I just took a look as the 3.2 tarfile code and see that it always (because
self.name is always unicode) does the same encoding, with 'replace',
referencing RFC1952. Although there are a few other differences, they appear
inconsequential, so tha
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option for help on modules and classes, which should cover 'long' output. The
Windows workaround, which I will never remember, brings up an extraneous
cmd.exe window i
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2.6 only gets security updates.
I verified 'rzinfo' typo in x.1.6 in 2.7 and 3.2. Also in both,
tzinfo.utcoffset begins as Stephen claims. I have not verified that this is
error.
Also in both, in x.1.4, class GMT1 has
... def utcoffse
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additional flag: ast.PyCF_ONLY_AST, so 'flags' should be singular.
As for src and dst, doc has been updated to say 'Compile the source into a code
or AST object. ... source
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Verified for 3.2.2 cmd window and idle. Fix looks good.
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In 3.2, http.client.py, insertion would be at line 718.
However, only one statement is needed to break. 3.2 elsewhere has
if line in (b'\r\n', b'\n', b''):
break
But I note that at 512, there is the code luzakiru pa
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about. The docstring and manuals should say the same thing, or at least not
contradict each other, so it is common for both to be out of date and both to
be updated at the same
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Santiago, if you are still running 2.6.5 code, use the most recent 2.6 docs at
http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.6/
This will have all the corrections made after the 2.6.5 release. Contrary to
what you might think the header line says, there is no particular
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Current 3.2.2 docs:
id(object) Return the “identity” of an object. This is an integer which is
guaranteed to be unique and constant for this object during its lifetime.
[model]
hash(object) Return the hash value of the object (if it has one). Hash values
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In #13707 I suggest a change to the current hash() entry which is needed
independently of this issue, because the default hash (for object()), being
tied to id() is already limited to an object's lifetime. But this change will
become more imperative if
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equality comparison), not value. Are you OK with hash values changing if the
'value' changes? My understanding is that changing hash values for objects in
sets and di
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Given that the doc says that use of hash() is to compare dict keys, it does not
seem wrong to me to suggest that hash() should be usable to do so.
I believe id() and consequently hash() are unique among builtins in being
run-dependent. That is currently
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To expand on Marc-Andre's point 1: the DOS attack on web servers is possible
because servers are generally dumb at the first stage. Upon receiving a post
request, all key=value pairs are mindlessly packaged into a hash table that is
then passed on to a
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Those who use or advocate a simple randomized starting hash (Perl, Ruby,
perhaps MS, and the CCC presenters) are presuming that the randomized hash
values are kept private. Indeed, they should be (and the docs could note this)
unless an attacker has direct
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it's a requirement that we randomly kill and restart processes from
time to time?"
No, that is not what I said.
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I agree. It should explain the three options:
help(object): help on object or class of object, except
help('name'): help on object/module named 'name'
help(): run utility, which starts with utility help
help(help) prints unhelpful
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The code works fine on 3.2.2, Win7, IDLE, narrowest window possible (about 14
chars), which actually wraps to the window width. (In command window, lines are
fixed length and scroll bar is added if window is narrowed.) What system and
version are you running
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"For each keyword only default" is not in my text, but if you are referring to
"keyword only name, default parameter object pairs ", yes. Here is a revised
suggested wording:
MAKE_FUNCTION(argc)
Pushes a new function object on the stack
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http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.7/
has the same problem that the 3.x 'in development' version is called 3.2, while
there is no link to current stable 3.2.2 except indirectly by going to 'old
versions' (which perhaps should be 'o
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should point to that, and another url should point to the most recent 2.7.x
release. The url for all versions is already stable. Then the sidebar could
have entries for most recent
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My specific suggestion is that the sidebar be time-independent (for at least a
decade, until Python 4 ;-) and say
Docs for other versions
Current Python 3
Current Python 2
In development
Everything else
with stable links for each
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To make my idea work both now and after we switch docs.python.org, that url
should not be used as either of the first two links. Rather there should be a
docs.python.org/py2k (or whatever) that is the permanent 'latest Python 2
release'
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closed message, test continued (but really crashed later).
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http://docs.python.org/devguide/runtests.html
"If you don’t have easy access to a command line, you can run the test suite
from a Python or IDLE shell:
>>> from test import autotest"
However, argparse is the least of the test suite problems
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The current doc says
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Print object(s) to the stream file, separated by sep and followed by end. sep,
end and file, if present, must be given as keyword arguments.
All
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This paragraph follows a discussion and example of the fact that methods do
*not* have to be defined within a class statement.
Any objections to changing
"The global scope associated with a method is the module containing the class
definition. (The
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The 3.2.2 doc for compile() says "The filename argument should give the file
from which the code was read; pass some recognizable value if it wasn’t read
from a file ('' is commonly used)."
I am not sure what 'recognizable'
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leave them as they are. While the claim is how the functions *should* operate,
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The idea and design look good to me. I will test on Windows when I am able to
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ME: Is this a filename that could be an actual, valid filename on your system?
OP: Yes it is. open works on that file
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I added a couple of lines to the 3.2, 3.3 print doc in #11633. When a change is
made here, they could be updated to something like:
"Output buffering is normally determined by *file*. Use flush=True to force
immediate output to a device such as a s
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Given that the note is already gone* as obsolete in 3.x, I think a minimal
maintenance fix for correctness should be fine for 2.7.
* It is replaced, in essence, by "Ranges containing absolute values larger than
sys.maxsize are permitted but some fea
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documented other than with
>>> help(object.__sizeof__)
Help on method_descriptor:
__sizeof__(...)
__sizeof__() -> size of object in memory, in bytes
Should it have
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a directory. And David did not seem completely sure.
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> It is certainly unusual for n to be in the sequence, but not to be able to
> find it.
Agreed. Doc Lib: 4.6. Sequence Types — str, bytes, bytearray, list, tuple,
range says '''
s.index(i) index of the first occurence of i in s
s.cou
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Another problem with the current text is that it fails to exclude enclosing
class scopes, and I had to test to be sure they were., and some of the phrasing
strikes me as awkward. Here is a possible rewrite.
"When the definition of a function is n
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Did I read right?
Clicking F5 crashes while clicking Run and then 'Run Module F5' works?
(They ought to be the same thing.)
If so, check the key bindings. Options/Configure IDLE .../Keys.
There should be an entry 'Run Module - '.
Is F5 bo
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Guido posted
"> Sorry to butt in here, but I agree with Eric that it was better
> before. There is a common idi
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One of most common recurring topics on python-list (perhaps monthly) is newbies
tripping over a mutation method returning None when they expect the collection.
Today's example: "Puzzled by list-appending behavior".
An excerpt fro
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Ahem. Interactive mode is an approved method of running Python code, along with
batch mode. The core interpreter and stdlib modules should run correctly in
both modes. So the entire test suite should pass in both modes too. If the
tests are written correctly
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After looking at the doc chapter, I get that 'if __name__' block is needed on
Windows.
OK. batch mode with if __name__ block:
testmp.py
-
print('Top of Module')
class C:
def f(s): print('Method C.f')
if __name__ =
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multiproccessing), it should run interactively as documented. Batch and
interactive are not mutually exclusive; python -i runs a file in batch mode and
switches to interactive mode
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Darn, I knew there might be an exception I was overlooking ;-).
Anyway, I considered the general statements to be drafts, to be rewritten after
comments.
As to the footnote (9) suggestion: the set and dict sections list each method
separately with normal
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I suspect you are right, but do not know the rules, and have never used the
module. There is no particular person maintaining xml.dom.X at present.
Could you please fill in the ... after the import to give a complete minimal
example that fails? Someone could
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>fp.write(json.dumps(obj)) and it is easy to wonder why .dump even exists, as
>it seems a trivial abbreviation (and why not .dump and .dumpf instead). Since,
>'_one_shot
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rebuilding with this change? And, does the test cover the internal uses of
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Exceptions with traceback are ordinary behavior issues. 'Crash' means segfault
or equivalent on Windows. And Jesus is correct.
In general, include system with reports.
With 3.2.0 IDLE on Winxp, adjusted 3.x code
import urllib.request as ur, http.co
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