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My understanding is that an undocumented internal methods has two bugs that
cancel, so that correct calls work correctly -- but tracebacks do not. I think
this should be fixed, especially given a working patch.
Optionally add a doc string, which is how we
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In any case, 2.6 is in security-fix only mode, so unless you have a problem
with the most recent releases (2.7.2 or 3.2.2) this issue should be closed as
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This is more of a feature request than a bug report, in that the behavior
appear intentional. But that is a moot point in that new IDLE features do not
have to wait for a new release. The proposed new behavior seems plausibly
better. I just wonder if
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[Yes, indexing will still be O(1), though I personally consider that less
important than most make it to be. Consistency across platforms and total time
and space performance of typical apps should be the concern. There is ongoing
work on improving the new
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> I'm not sure what you mean with "turn them into bug reports" though.
In about the last month, there have been, I think, 4 reports about IDLE
crashing (quitting unexpectedly with no error traceback). I would consider it
preferable if it
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Newbies too often do something like (3.2.2, )
>>> id(getattr(x, 'pop')) == id(x.pop)
True
and get confused by the (invalid) result, whereas
>>> a,b=getattr(x, 'pop'),x.pop
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works prope
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I gave a maximum addition. The first sentence may be enough (or even just the
second half of it). What people do not get is that the lifetime of new arg
objects is the duration of the function call -- and that the output of id for
departed objects is
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Ezio's comment got me to reread the entire paragraph. I do not like it. 'Having
you think' is wrong; 'Basically just' is unneeded; 'guaranteed' is hyperbole;
and the paragraph is otherwise repetitive, vague, and pretty
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For the tracker, 'crash' == seqfault or equivalent, with no traceback.
Unwanted traceback is bad behavior.
Please test with 3.2 also if you can.
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Try running without IDLE (double click, right-click run, Command Prompt window,
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directed back to the IDLE process, so it occasionally affects otherwise legal
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In the doc, the signature line is followed by a list of short descriptions in a
third order. That perhaps should be changed to follow the same corrected order
as the signature line. On the other hand, it matches the order of the detail
sections that follow
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I am guessing that because the extension could be either .py or .pyw, the
initial save does not add either but forces the user to type one or the other.
I find this annoying too, so I am thinking about separating the choices and see
if .py, .pyw, and maybe
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This came up on python-list with
os.spawnl (os.P_NOWAIT, r"c:\windows\notepad.exe")
Tim Golden confirmed crash with Win7 on 2.7.?
I did same with 3.2.2 in both interpreter and from IDLE (IDLE hangs and then
restarts after closing the 'pyth
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This may be a 'cannot fix' issue due to the way Windows connects the output and
input streams of various processes. It would be helpful to know if *nix has the
same difference of behavior between interpreter and IDLE shell. Otherwise some
exper
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The doc says "All functions accepting path or file names accept both bytes and
string objects, and result in an object of the same type, if a path or file
name is returned." It does that now (the encoding assumed or produced for bytes
is not spec
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either checking for '?' in returned paths or catching later exceptions. With
Google code search, I did find one instance where someone tests paths for '?'
aft
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This will serve as a reminder.
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now). I actually would like it to save the window position and size.
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In the tutorial, "The xml.dom and xml.sax packages" should be expanded to "The
xml.dom, xml.sax, and xml.etree packages". I suspect that the current line
predates the addition of .etree.
We try to mostly not give opinion-based recommend
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Because of the line break, clicking that link gives "Server error 404".
http://www.robotstxt.org/norobots-rfc.txt
works (so please pay attention to formatting). The main page is
http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html
The way I read the grammar
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Sorry, the visual linebreak depends on font size. It *is* the comma that caused
the problem.
You missed my question about the current test suite.
Senthil, you are the listed expert for urllib, which includes robotparser. Any
opinions on what to do
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Since following the spec is not a bug, this issue is a feature request for 3.3.
I agree with just being lenient with no added parameter. Perhaps that should be
mentioned in the doc with (or in) a version-added note. Senthil: does doc
standard allow something
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The robotparser is currently doing exactly what it is documented as doing.
20.9. urllib.robotparser — Parser for robots.txt
says "For more details on the structure of robots.txt files, see
http://www.robotstxt.org/orig.html."; (Since there are n
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> I'd have written "an opened file descriptor" instead (in 5 places).
Yes, 'open' is an adjective as well as a verb, and the correct one in
this context. Something that has been opened, such as a sealed jar or
envelope, might ha
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The patch implements my suggestion. Looking again, I think the English is fine
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New features only go in future versions: Given the doc: "With a module, class
or class instance object as argument (or anything else that has a __dict__
attribute), return that attribute." So you are proposing a change in the
definition of vars()
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The conflict is not fatal for keyboard users because repeating alt-o switches
between Format and Options. To resolve the conflict, I would prefer to keep
alt-o for Options, both because it is the first letter of Options and because
Options appears on Shell
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2.5 in no longer maintained. 2.6 only gets security patches.
So please test with the latest 2.7 (currently 2.7.2).
If you cannot do that, please close.
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Yes. I think in locale.rst (assuming that is the name)
'''
exception locale.Error
Exception raised when setlocale() fails.
locale.setlocale(category, locale=None)
If *locale* is specified, it may be a string, a tuple of the form (language
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Py 3.2 on Win 7. 'Comment out region' is Alt-3 here.
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I am closing this because there is no issue for currently maintained CPython.
If you have further questions, try python-list or a question-answer forum such
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def parrot(voltage, state='a stiff', action='voom', type='Norwegian Blue'):
+accepts one :term:`positional argument` (``voltage``) and three
+:term:`keyword arguments ` (``state``, ``action``,
+and ``type``).
This is simply fal
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>Would adding 'required' before 'positional' and 'optional' before 'keyword
>arguments' be ok?
No! What is false in the original and the above is the equation and confusion
of 'required' with 'pos
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The two methods are defined differently, and act as defined, so this is a
feature request, not a bug report.
str.split([sep[, maxsplit]])
... If maxsplit is given, at most maxsplit splits are done (thus, the list will
have at most maxsplit+1 elements). If
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Improving error messages has been a long, slow process as people are irritated
enough to make a change. Please go ahead.
Guido has explicitly excluded exception detail from the language spec multiple
times. Test that depend on details are broken. Doc
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3.2 doc entry:
random.triangular(low, high, mode)
Return a random floating point number N such that low <= N <= high and with the
specified mode between those bounds. The low and high bounds default to zero
and one. The mode argument defaults
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In English also, to vend is to sell, direct from Fr. *vendre*. However, ideas
are not necessarily sold for money, but for assent, adoption, or other action.
My dictionary has 'publish' as a secondary meaning of vend. So
'vendor-packages'
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I agree with Eric both as to placement (first paragraph) and wording (with
explanation). I don't have time to review otherwise at the moment.
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The test suite has code (functions) that restrict the length on AssertEqual
(and other) failure messages. (I do not know the location though.) Perhaps that
can be reused. This almost seems like something that should be more easily
available
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>From Ezio's original post: '''
If a function has optional arguments but it doesn't accept keyword arguments,
the "func([arg1])" notation is used instead. ... The notation
"func([arg=default])" should never be u
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The doc section has no reference, as in a live web link, to any version of the
POSIX specification. This is unlike other doc sections that implement various
RFCs (which also get updated). The docs also link to specific references for
the Unicode version
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The 'official' PSF build for 2.7 (and 3.x) is done with VS2008, so this may not
be the last problem you have. I am pretty sure this will never change for 2.7,
but that is not to say we cannot make a simple change to accommodate VS2010. I
am su
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I find the doc for g/G less than clear.
1. (main entry) "Uses lowercase exponential format if exponent is less than -4
or not less than precision, decimal format otherwise."
'not less' means 'equal or greater', which to
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Does this apply to 2.7 as well?
I believe msg148146 is due to a commit message typo.
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Or expand 'Reporting Bugs' to 'Reporting Bugs and Requesting Features', perhaps
renamed to 'Suggesting Improvements'. My point is that aspiring developers are
not the only one that need to read the guideline, not withstanding the
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This current line is
"Read and return a list of lines from the stream. hint can be specified to
control the number of lines read: no more lines will be read if the total size
(in bytes/characters) of all lines so far exceeds hint."
I would like to
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In Python 3, where all classes inherit from object, the default rules are, by
experiment, (which someone can verify from the code) simpler than you stated.
3. By default, == and /= compare identities.
4. By default, order comparisons raise TypeError.
ob <=
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On 3.2.2, I get
>>> import sys
>>> sys.path
['C:\\Programs\\Python32\\Lib\\idlelib', 'C:\\Windows\\system32\\python32.zip',
'C:\\Programs\\Python32\\DLLs', 'C:\\Programs\\Python32\\lib',
'C:\\P
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Running on Win 7, 3.2.2, IDLE, I get
'''
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "F:\Python\mypy\tem.py", line 19, in
the_rowconfigure_info = the_frame.rowconfigure(the_row_index)
File "C:\Programs\Python32\lib\tkint
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IdleX package http://idlex.sourceforge.net/
That does the conversion when *pasting* interpreter text into an edit window. I
would have File/Save do the same thing when saving the
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Either way, it would be nice to have erroneous commands flagged or filtered.
That can be detected when the first line of output is
Traceback (most recent call last):
I typically would copy, correct, and rerun a line until I get it correct, so I
would want
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Interesting example. This issue is a bit more complicated than I thought.
Clearly, the call that reveals an error in previous lines should not be simply
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I am a little puzzled by the patch. In logic, 'A and B' is equivalent to 'not A
or not B'. But in the patch,
-if (_Py_stat(filename, &statbuf) == 0 && /it exists */
-S_ISDIR(statbuf.st_mode)) /* it&
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changed the logic to restart the loop more often.
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Comments:
1. The first sentence is a bit too opinionated for my taste. Consider:
map(f, seq)
[f(x) for x in seq]
The map is *more* concise, by 8 chars, than the list comp and, in *my* opinion,
clearer and easier to read without the extra boilerplate and
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Showing both was the intent of my comment. Since I am about 60:40 on that, I
was and am willing for you, having grabbed and pushed the issue, to drop the
half-expanded version if you thought it better. With or without, we have
improved this section. But I
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Re-verified on 3.2.2, win 7.
#13532 shows a worse problem with sys.stdout.write on the above.
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We should like the IDLE shell to give the same results as the standard shell.
See #7163
On 3.2.2 on Win7, the problem is worse: sys.stdout.write(100) crashes IDLE --
as in it just fades away after a short (1/2 sec?) delay.
sys.stdout.write(sys)
gives me the
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The doc specified the Action API as the interface inherited from
argparse.Action plus the addition of a custom __call__ method with 4 params (5
with self) as described. That seems mostly adequate to me, unless there is
something missing in the parameter
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(Snippet examples can be made 2/3 agnostic with
from __future__ import print_function)
3.2.2 on win7, IDLE, gives me
F:\Python\mypy\tem.py 7 call
F:\Python\mypy\tem.py 8 line
F:\Python\mypy\tem.py 10 line
F:\Python\mypy\tem.py 11 line
F:\Python\mypy\tem.py 13
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and over-riding just the __call__ method is the intended way, not just the
recommended. If so, Action is a quasi-private class, only exposed so it could
be subclassed with one
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In English, "We should like" is far from an absolute statement. "IDLE must"
would be such. In any case, I hope you agree that crashing is bad. It is also
not good if IDLE, as a development environment, enables code that violates the
do
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I believe that that list includes all symbols and symbol combinations that are
syntactically significant in expressions. This is the generalized meaning of
'operator' that is being used. What do not appear are '#' which marks comments,
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current behavior with respect to .OP, which you said you wanted.
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In the python-ideas thread "list / array comprehensions extension"
Guido replied in reference to an earlier quote from him:
"I think that -0 was contextual (too many moving parts for the original Py3k
release). Today I am +1."
There
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I agree with Roger that developing an extension elsewhere is the proper first
step. I suspect that you will want to experiment with the exact behavior and
interface. So I am closing this for now, though you can reopen later if there
is a renewed proposal to
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At line 237 of string.py:
def convert_field(self, value, conversion):
# do any conversion on the resulting object
if conversion == 'r':
return repr(value)
elif conversion == 's':
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just as with Find boxes, just as it should be. So there is something specific
either to 2.7 (which is unusual, since the code base in mostly the same, but
possible) or
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