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You are right, FF switched on me without notice. Bad FF.
Thank you! What I now see makes much more sense.
[ "๐ผ๐ฏ๐
๐จ๐๐ฏ๐ป", "๐ผ๐ฏ๐
๐จ๐๐ฏ๐ป", "๐๐ฏ๐
๐จ๐๐ฏ๐ป", "๐๐๐๐๐ก๐๐" ],
and I now know to check on other p
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Adding Symbola filled in the symbols and emoticons lines.
The gothic chars are still missing even with Alfios.
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"the type object determines which (C) functions get called when, for instance,
an attribute gets looked up on an object or it is multiplied by another object.
These C functions are called โtype methodsโ
"These C functions" are any of the C fun
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title of the next section. We need to keep "These C functions are called โtype
me
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On my fresh install, double clicking *does* run the file as it should, but the
window disappears immediately, erasing output and error tracebacks, unless one
adds something like ``input("Hit Enter to quit") at the end of the script so
the user c
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Only if the issue is closed, so that it actually means 'fixed'.
Otherwise, just delete it.
The following data suggests to me that 'accepted' is a de facto synonym for
'fixed' and therefore useless and might as well be removed.
N
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agree yet and that the current Wiki page was the result of some heated
discussion and compromise. I also agree that the page could use
tweaking/updating/rewriting. For one thing the
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This:
>>> "\N{LATIN CAPITAL LETTER GHA}"
SyntaxError: (unicode error) 'unicodeescape' codec can't decode bytes in
position 0-27: unknown Unicod
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This documents the current list, but ;-) I think the current list should be
modified.
1. Put behavior at the top of the list, as it is the most common (a 'human
factor' principle).
2. Combine performance and resource usage. Both are extremel
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"behavior
Wrong or unexpected behaviors/results/exceptions. ..."
could well be
"behavior
Wrong or unexpected behavior, result, or exception. ..."
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My proposal is better than log(N) in 2 respects.
1) There need only be a time penalty when there are non-BMP chars and indexing
currently gives the 'wrong' answer and therefore when a time-penalty should be
acceptable. Lookup for normal all-BMP str
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PEP-393 will take care of iterating by code points.
Where would you have other iterators go? The string module?
Something else I have not thought of? Or something new?
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Python makes it easy to transform a sequence with a generator as long as no
look-ahead is needed. utf16.UTF16.__iter__ is a typical example. Whenever a
surrogate is found, grab the matching one.
However, grapheme clustering does require look-ahead, which is
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I prefer a new parameter either at the end of the arglist or possibly keyword
only. The idea for both variations is to let typical users ignore the option,
which would be hard to do if it is part of the prime parameter. The idea for
keyword only is that we
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A note for anyone else: David is actually using the xml.parsers.expat module,
which uses the now undocumented pyexpat module, whose direct use is deprecated.
David: Have you tested with 3.1 or 3.2? (I am about to try on Windows ;-).
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Running with IDLE on Windows, I get no crash or uncaught exception but got
these printed lines:
An error occurred during XML parsing. Error ID: 9. Error message: junk after
document element
Line number: 1
An error occurred during XML parsing. Error ID: 9
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What action are you suggesting? Change ctypes code or its doc or something
else. If the doc, please suggest a specific change.
Can you test on 3.x?
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> I have confirmed that this only happens in windows.
This would literally mean that you tested on several other systems. Did you
actually mean 'I have only confirmed that this happens in Windows.", that you
only tested on Windows?
The 2.6
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You are doing two different things to the original string: normalizing and
encoding to ascii with errors ignored. Each should be tested separately.
On 3.2:
import unicodedata
s1 = "รผfรผrรผkรงรผ aฤaรง ve ฤฑslฤฑkรงฤฑ รงeลme"
s2 = unicodedata.normalize('N
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> But I think we may want to create a new module which
provides various APIs specifically for apps that need care when
dealing with Unicode.
I have started thinking that way too -- perhaps "unitools"?
It could contain the code point iterator for t
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My understanding is that what you did:
import xml.parsers.expat
is now the proper way to use expat. After some searching, it seems the sentence
about direct use of pyexpat being deprecated refers to
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=274
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This seems to be a Mac-only issue.
Barry, does this seem to be a security issue to you, or should we delete 2.6
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As a (Windows) user, I would like to be able to download any working
pre-compiled shared library (.dll) and access it via ctypes. The particular
compiler used to compile cpythonx.y.z should not determine whether a Pythonx.y
program works. The use of VSC2008
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Ezio, that is a lot of nice work to track down those pieces of the standard. I
think the operative phrase in many of those quotes is 'open interchange'.
Codecs are also used for private storage. If I use the unassigned or
private-use code points in
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Semi-seriously, _PyEval_ForArminRigoOnly_
/* This function does whatever Armin Rigo wants it to do.
He may change it at any time. Do not use it. */
This would let you experiment with the boundary as you will (with review, of
course) and relieve us of any
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15.2.3.1. I/O Base Classes
class io.IOBase
seek(offset, whence=SEEK_SET)
Change the stream position to the given byte offset
Since StringIO seeks by code units that should perhaps say 'byte or code unit
o
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On 9/8/2011 4:32 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> So to summarize a bit, there are different possible level of strictness:
>1) all the possible encodable values, including the ones>10;
>2) values in range 0..10;
>3) values in range 0
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The immediate issue is improvement of the entries for help and help():
In builtin functions section:
Expand "Invoke the built-in help system." to
"Invoke the built-in help system, which uses *pydoc*."
where *pydoc* is linked to the pydoc
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If you write 'How to debug Python code' rather than just "How to use pdb", I
would start with the use of print statements and binary search. Have short
sections on using trace and profile. Very useful would be a list of error
messages and
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Can we close this as out-of-date, since 2/3rds of what you asked seems to be
done already, and the last 1/3 should (in my opinion) absolutely not be?
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It is already available:
>>> import pydoc
>>> pydoc.cram('This sentence is too long to fit the space I have made
>>> available', 28)
'This sentenc...ade available'
def cram(text, maxlen):
""&qu
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names.
pydoc.locate(path, forceload=0):
"""Locate an object by name or dotted path, importing as necessary"""
pydoc.resolve(thing, forceload=0):
&
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This pretty well summarizes my vague feelings. I originally used a size 30 in
my example, getting 'This sentence...made available' and then realized that it
was a complete accident that I got complete words. If anything were made
publicly availabl
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I understand now that new methods, as opposed to changed methods, are allowed.
I agree with Eric that this seems more like a convinience rather than absolute
necessity, and that the doc should be augmented.
The doc for vformat (which I admit I had not
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How did you conclude that PYTHONOPTIMIZE = 0 is not honored? Can you provide a
minimal example or demonstration.
In any case, 2.6.6 is nearly out so bad behavior needs to be demonstrated with
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Since ABCmeta is not used (by name) its import is not needed.
I have no opinion on whether this should work.
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I presume the first example should have been
# cat file | ./test.py
or seceond should have been
# ./test.py < test.py
so that test.py gets same input on stdin in either case.
For other readers: kqueue and kevent are bsd-specific functions and classes in
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Doc/howto/doanddont.rst is the source for
Python HOWTOs: Idioms and Anti-Idioms in Python
Moshe Zadka original author (added as nosy)
The gist of the patch is to clarify that using 'with' is best, not the non-with
version that is currently called
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In interactive mode, multiline statements are terminated with a blank line.
Your examples lacks that, so the 3rd line is part of the def and lacking the
proper indent, is indeed a syntax error. You get the same with the standard
command-line interpreter
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Are you talking about top-level code within the urllib module or code within
defined functions. If the former, can you quote or point to the place in the
file? If the latter, which functions? Just urlopen or others? Does
urllib2.urlopen have the same issue
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In 3.x, http_error_auth_reqed is a method of
urllib.request.AbstractBasicAuthHandler
(20.5.8. AbstractBasicAuthHandler Objects in 3.1 lib manual)
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In 3.1, and I presume (please check) 2.7, the signature is given as
class json.JSONEncoder(skipkeys=False, ensure_ascii=True, check_circular=True,
allow_nan=True, sort_keys=False, indent=None, separators=None, default=None)
I verified by simple experiment
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I agree:
Implementation note: PyShell.py hass the following line:
from code import InteractiveInterpreter
That is the base class for InteractiveConsole, the subject of #7741.
PyShell makes it own extension
class ModifiedInterpreter(InteractiveInterpreter
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To be clearer, this issue is an elaboration of the #3559 report that
\n 'does not work' in that it points out that \n silently ignores the second while
\n is reported as a syntax error. I agree
that this elaboration should have been included ther
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I switched to patch review because I am not sure unit test is possible.
I did not advocate a change to immediate execution in my original post. I noted
that pasting multiple statements does not work and that if it cannot be made to
work, the limitation
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This is definitely not a critical fix for 2.6 ;-)
The weakref.proxy doc says nothing about comparisons:
"weakref.proxy(object[, callback])
Return a proxy to object which uses a weak reference. This supports use of the
proxy in most contexts inste
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I agree that a tolerant mode would be good (and often requested). String
encoding and decoding also have strict and forgiving modes, so this seems close
to a policy.
Unit tests with example snippets that properly fail strict mode and pass the
new tolerant
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While Python is 'GPL compatible', whatever that means, it cannot incorporate
GPLed code in the PSF distribution. Code must be contributed under one on the
two licenses in the contributor agreement. Philip, can you contribute a patch
appropriate to
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2.7 is closed to new features and I cannot see making a non-bug change in a
maintenance release that could break something.
Should this be closed in favor of #9694? (Or vice versa?). Perhaps one of the
issues should be renamed something like "Im
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Or a feature request for better message customization?
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2.6.6 is the final 2.6 bugfix release. A bug would have to be demonstrated with
2.7 or 3.1/2. On 3.1, winxp, I get this also:
>>> import json
>>> json.dumps('foo')
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I do not think your wish is sensibly possible. GzipFile wraps an object that is
or simulates a file. This is necessary because GzipFile "simulates most of the
methods of a file object, with the exception of the readinto() and truncate()
methods."
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This is really two issues: docs and windows builds. As for docs:
Many of the module doc pages mention original authors and give urls for further
info. The ssl page already says " This module uses the OpenSSL library." Rather
than fuss over wheth
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a = d = 1
b, c = e = 2, 3
into one statement deserves the bytecode he gets ;-).
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Additional note: RefMan 2. Lexical analysis:
"Python reads program text as Unicode code points;"
Doc for runsource says "Compile and run some source in the interpreter.
Arguments are the same as for compile_command()". Latter says &q
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never used Linux (yet). I take Georg's answer to mean that this is not
obviously obsolete and should be left open.
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within a function defined within the timeit module. It is also deficient in not
mentioning the secret of how to successfully pass user-defined functions until
the very bottom instead
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While refactoring the code for 2.7, I discovered that the description of the
heuristic for 2.6 and in the code comments is off by 1. "items that appear more
than 1% of the time" should actually be "items whose duplicates (after the
first) app
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I agree that the docs for augmented assignments and the corresponding method
and funciton can and should be improved.
But I do not like this as is. In particular, Python does not have in-place
operators; it has methods that optionally do an operation in
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Good idea!
I see Raymond's point about the name. How about .method_check?
To me Sequence.method_check(range) means "Abstract Seqeunce class, please
method-check the concrete range class."
If Sequence.register(range) is in the range sourc
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As I remember, the FAQ was once that, *the* (giant) FAQ, with numbered
sections. When broken into pieces, the order may have been re-arranged.
Given that the broken reference is in extending/windows, I would look in both
the Extending and Windows FAQs
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Specifically, in section 17.6. base64..., near bottom, example should be
>>> import base64
>>> encoded = base64.b64encode(b'data to be encoded') #hang
>>> encoded
b'ZGF0YSB0byBiZSBlbmNvZGVk'
>>>
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clearly doc issues, the other 2 I do not know. I hope someone reads this who is
already familiar
DOC PATCHES
dumps(2 + 1j, cls=ComplexEncoder)
should be
json.dumps(2 + 1j
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As an experiment, I ran doctest on 17.2 json saved as .txt, See #9767
4 failures, 2 obvious doc faults, 2 unclear to me.
Their were 2 similar doc faults in non-interactive code examples, so doctest is
not enough to catch all bad code.
We clearly need to do
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Although this is not a problem in IDLE where the window can easily be expanded
beyond 80 chars, I am in favor of the idea for other uses. The command line
interpreter on Windows defaults to 80 chars and is not so easy to change, and
one must be admin to make
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- The second argument is an error message; it is converted to a string object.
+ The second argument is an error message; it is decoded to a string object
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