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This a type of feature request and such a change would only go into a new
version. Given the absence of response from djc, perhaps this should be closed
as languishing-postponed?
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In 3.2, winxp, (with Tkinter => tkinter), I get
invalid command name "12277720callit"
while executing
"12277720callit"
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and no new prompt and ^C ineffective. Had to kill command window.
With IDLE, get n
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I am following Andrew's suggestion. This issue can serve as 'don't do that' doc.
The 3.2 README has been edited and slimmed down by Georg Brandl. It is limited
to general build instructions. It would not be the place for such a nit. It
do
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The original snippet works the same on 3.2.0. Was their any conclusion as to
whether or not a change should be made?
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Naoyuki, unless you can confirm that Daniel's patch works, we will have to
close this as out-of-date.
Martin: PEP 11 lists platforms no-longer supported, but does not list those
that are. For writing/reviewing patches like this, it would be helpful
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The patch adds this check:
+ if not filename.endswith((".pyc", ".pyo", ".py")):
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This is not valid. A Python file is a text file with python code. In spite of
import conventions, they are not r
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If not, would this effectively be a feature request and have to wait for a new
version (3.3)?
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The original bug claim is invalid. But the following (3.2.0, winxp) strike me
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>>> class A: pass
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TypeError: not all arguments conve
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Sridhar, is there still a problem with current 3.2/3?
If you are no longer working on this, I think we should close as
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What did you mean by 'crash'? An exception or a segfault or equivalent?
I believe the finalization code was reworked a bit last fall, so could you
determine whether or not there is still a problem in 3.2.1? Do not bother with
3.1.4 unless you think
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With 32bit winxp Windows Task Manager open to Processes, sorted by Men Usage, I
verified expanding memory usage in 3.2.0 (and stopped at 200 mb versus normal
<20Mb). While we do not expect compiler to catch while True: pass, it would be
nice if this
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A default of 1 in not implicit for output formatting.
%s and {:s} mean however long needed, not %1s or {:1s}
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Those others field types have a standard or system-dependent fixed size and a
number is an optional repeat count. Format 's' is always a single field because
number prefix for that is special -- a field size.
"For the 's' forma
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points." The tokenize module purports to provide "a lexical scanner for Python
source code". But it seems not to do that. Instead it provides a scanner for
Python c
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What platform? It sometimes makes a difference with tcl/tk and hence idle.
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My original suggestion is a minimal change suggestion. I do not have much
opinion on what the maximum change 'should' be.
It would obviously be nice from a user viewpoint if the error message were
backported to say "unicode argument exp
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reasons for the request, possible implementations, and the counter-arguments of
Raymond.
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Choose pydev if you want. Discussion there is *usually* (but definitely not
always) more focused on implementation of uncontroversial changes. I am pretty
much +-0 on the issue, though Jean-Paul's post seems to add to the + side
arguments that mig
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always) more focused on implementation of uncontroversial changes. I am pretty
much +-0 on the issue, though Jean-Paul's post seems to add to the + side
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Hans says there that he could not reproduce *this* issue with 3.2.
Herm, please retry with 3.2 as 3.1.4 is last bugfix for 3.1 series.
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On Windows, scripts run with whatever name -- no extension or other extensions.
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>The fileutils.patch patch attached to this issue directly addresses what's
>wrong in issue 5999; I'd consider it closed, ...
When an patch is committed that fixes that issue, say so there and I or someone
will close it.
>From issue 125
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This is just the tip of the iceberg as far as needed symbol index entries goes.
Nearly 3 years ago, I wrote a Python 3 symbol glossary "Python3 Syntax Symbol
Uses" that was complete as far as I knew then. I think most of the entries
there sho
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The pastebin link gives me a blank box. In any case, a one-month retention does
not work for the tracker. If you do get an error traceback indicating an error
in CPython or its library, post it here. However, your post so far strongly
suggests that the error
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I agree with Nick's rationale for the current order, and also like his idea of
indicating that the first traceback is truncated (which has not been completely
obvious to me). Bike-shedding a bit, I would prefer something more like:
Truncated traceba
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I just 'upgraded' to 3.2.1 on my XP machine and I see the same with F5-run,
which restarts before running the saved file. This appears to be a nasty
regression from 3.2.0 that should have been a release blocker if caught
earlier. I believe it meri
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I perhaps misunderstood your question. I ran files from the command line as as
'python whatever', not 'whatever' so only python would care about an extension.
I do not have a file association to 'run' a file, with or without
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I went back and reread from the beginning, instead of merely answering the
question you asked when adding me as nosy. More comments:
Windows file associations are so disfunctional that you should not depend on
them being anything in particular. I nearly
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much to review all at once. A somewhat separate subissue is whether there
should be however many separate issues over the next however many years or one
master issue with multiple
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> expression must evaluate to a sequence.
To be clear, Eli quoted the doc correctly and Eric correctly suggested that
'sequence' needs to be updated to 'iterable' (in at least two places). Since
the patch for this issue will be addi
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This nasty bug really can cause severe problems. If a zombie process ran a
tkinter (tk) window, then attempting to logout/restart/shutdown eventually
brings up a window I have never seen before: End Process -- EmbeddedMenuWindow.
The message window shows a
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Restart is not required to create a zombie. Just start IDLE and quit, and the
second, user process does not disappear.
Reverting completely does not seem possible. I first just ran the 3.2 installer
and it did not complain, that I noticed, about replacing a
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I happen to prefer del myself, but I agree that the two mutable sequence
classes should behave the same. The manual 4.6.4 says
s[i:j:k] = t the elements of s[i:j:k] are replaced by those of t (1)
1. t must have the same length as the slice it is replacing
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Good question.
Peter, you said Vista x64. Are you running 32 or 64 bit Python?
My system with the apparently irreversible problem is 32 bit xp home.
I am reluctant to test on my daughter's 64 bit laptop as I do not know that I
would be able to r
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This appears to be fixed.
Skip: keywords now has a '-no selection-' option to get rid of keywords
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>From a top level view, the patch adds PyAST_Validate (with helpers) to ast.c
>and one call to PyAST_Validate in bltinmodule.c in builtin_compile(). The
>added tests do every silly thing you can think of.
Does PyAST_Validate get invoked for all
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Could we look for 'tion: Closed' instead of "Connection: Closed", to accomodate
servers that garble the response, even if it is a hack?
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David, is this the sort of thing you mean?
@skip # so do not run without backend
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If so, I think we
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Eli, nice detective work. What I understand is that there was a latent
platform-dependent buglet that presumably got exposed by a recent change in
process handling, as Ned suggested.
idlelib/PyShell.py, class ModifiedInterpreter(InteractiveInterpreter) has
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I mentioned pipes because half of the subprocess chapter, it seems, talks about
them. ASo I got the mis-impression that they are special for subprocess-started
processes. But if the subprocess gets the args it needs to connect to a socket,
it should not care
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That sentence is wrong to imply that there is anything special about data
versus method attributes with respect to overriding -- or that attributes are
special when it comes to names in a single namespace. What I think the
paragraph should say, if not just
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I believe I meant that 'python setup' works when the script is named 'setup'.
Which is to say, python does not require scripts to have an extension, as
someone had thought in writing a patch.
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I do not know why the msi installer *silently* fails to properly register
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looked into the issue more because for development, I prefer to run from an
IDLE window and be dumped
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I was working with the freshly reinstalled 3.2 which is not the same as a
pristine 3.2 install because it still had the problem that 3.2.1 has and the
3.2.1 sys.version. 3.2.1 uninstall in not complete (a different issue). So I
should reinstall 3.2.1 again
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The replacement file, for anyone without a dev setup, is
http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/cc86f4ca5020/Lib/idlelib/PyShell.py
After renaming PyShell to PyShellBak and replacing with the above,
IDLE seems to run better than ever. On my XP system, the several
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I have not used tokenize, but if it is *not* intended to exactly reproduce the
internal tokenizer behavior, the claim that it is should be amended.
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Adding a feature 'fixes' the deficiency of its absence. I personally have no
use for 'accepted' and find it ambiguous. My best understanding is what David
has seen (accepted in principle).
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Gary, did you mean that there is a fix in the Tix bug report?
(the addition of '-'?)
If so, what has it not been applied to the Tix repository?
Is it still active?
Once changed there, the change should be propagated to the Python distribution.
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Do any of you three have anything to do with pydoc?
Given that the manual simply says "pydoc -b will start the server and
additionally open a web browser to a module index page." without
qualifications, quitting when started from certain locations
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I presume so. I believe ``x`` is meant for general code like ``for thing in
group: print(thing)``. While Éric specifically mentioned the :data: role, I
presume the same idea applies to :func: and possibly other link-generating
roles.
Is there a statement
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Changing the dev guide, which I think is definitely needed, is an issue for
this tracker. Changing the tracker is an issue for the meta-tracker. Discussing
a change might be an issue for python-dev.
I was under the impression once that the tracker fields
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Changing ``x`` to :data:`x` adds 4 chars.
Changing ``x()`` to :func:`x` justs adds 2.
If I were to review, I would prefer that the additions not trigger cascading
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Pending an argument against, I agree with the change.
I think SyntaxError would be best. ValueError (etc) is for runtime (though this
is compile during runtime).
What would you have for the error message? My first idea is
"Cannot compile multiple state
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While I could question the current list of components, documenting it as it is
is a good idea. Patch 2 looks pretty good to me with the following change.
Tests
The generic unittest and doctest frameworks in `Lib/unittest`_ and
`Lib/doctest.py
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Our docs explain behavior without, generally, explaining why. Hence the title
change.
'Returns the current setting for the given locale category' seems pretty clear
that it returns the current program setting rather than the default system
settin
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I am not sure that everyone will agree that this is a bug, rather than a
feature request, or that if a bug, that it should be changed in existing
releases and possibly break running code. The doc just says, somewhat vaguely,
that IGNORECASE "work
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I agree that better masking of narrow-wide build difference would be good as
long as it does not severely impact normal performance. Revision of the test
file (see below) shows that the 'bug' is that the .upper, .lower, and .title
methods leaves
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However desireable it would be, I do not believe there is any claim in the
manual that the re module follows the evolving Unicode consortium r.e.
standard. If I understand, you are saying that this statement in the doc,
"Matches Unicode word characters
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Ouch!
Do the rejected characters qualify as identifier characters as defined in
Reference 2.3 Identifiers and keywords?
http://docs.python.org/py3k/reference/lexical_analysis.html#identifiers
If some interpreter version accepts extra characters, beyond the
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functions that are now attached to the str class as methods. So 'string.title'
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Tom, I appreciate your taking the time to help us improve our Unicode story. I
agree that the compromises made a decade ago need to be revisited and revised.
I think it will help if you better understand our development process. Our
current *intent* is that
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The decision was to focus on back-porting things that would make the eventual
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I agree that the sentence is a bit confusing and the 'object method' ambiguous.
I suspect that the sentence was written years ago. In current Python, [].append
is a bound method of class 'builtin_function_or_method'. I *suspect* that th
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Python's narrow builds are, in a sense, 'between' UCS-2 and UTF-16. They
support non-BMP chars but only partially, because, BY DESIGN*, indexing and len
are by code units, not codepoints. They are documented as being UCS-2 because
that is w
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>It is always better to deliver more than you say than to deliver less.
Except when promising too little is a copout.
>Everyone always talks about important they're sure O(1) access must be,
I thought that too until your challenge. But now that you
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again after installing one of the fonts Tom suggested.
The pair of boxes on IDLE are for the surrogate pairs. Perhaps tk does not even
try to display a single char. I will
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