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used in older code, has not been deprecated as far as I know, and appears in
dir(ast).
The two current mentions of PyCF_ONLY_AST in ast doc are:
"An abstract syntax tree c
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As with all the math docs, 'x' refers to the value, not the object with the
value. However, "Return abs(x) with the sign of y" is, to me, clearer and more
accurate. Both doc string and doc chapter should get any modification.
-
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For c stdio files, intermixed reads and writes require a file positioning
operation. This is a nuisance and source of program bugs. I do not see any such
limitation documented for our io module. So for both reasons, it will be nice
to not have the limitation
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I have no idea what 'XT' in the title means.
The only possible relevant change I *know* of is that 3.2 on Windows comes with
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could query/report on the tk/tcl forum
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*Python* code. An error in the value given to a Python sensibly raises a
ValueError unless a module does something more specific.
>From the xml.dom doc
"DOM Level 2 recomm
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Hanging is different from crashing.
2.6 and 3.1 (soon) are only open for security issues.
Perhaps your system is missing something needed for the import.
If you want this to stay open, retest with 2.7 or 3.2 and give much more
information: your system/OS, C/C
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The intended method of using a non-default browser is well documented and the
OP did exactly the right thing. However, even if Opera is present, the 'right
thing' does not work because nothing but iexplorer gets registered (and that
not completel
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I have it set as my default browser. It would otherwise be inaccessible because
it is not in the _browser registry. It also appears that I cannot intentionally
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Stdio was, I presume, optimized for speed. In the relatively rare case of
mixed read/write, it *should* put the burden on
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> "Return a float with the magnitude of x but the sign of y."
This appears to describe both current behavior and what I believe was the
intention. I would go with a doc patch based on this.
umedoblock, go ahead and make one.
It occurred to me,
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>From what I have read, Windows is not a very pleasant environment for
>extending and embedding.
1. It works best if both Python and the extender or embedder are compiled with
th
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suggested a DOC patch. So I do not know why you are screwing around with the
code, or what you are trying to do with it, or why you are messing around with
the version headers or
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Third party refers to things other than Pythonx.y code For instance,
distutils2/distribute was for some years developed separately from the main
codebase and was recently merged into the 3.3 repository. While separate, its
issues were '3rd party'
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Ion, as you perhaps noticed, posting a message 'subscribes' you (puts you on
the nosy list). One can also add oneself as nosy with the little button under
it without saying anything.
This should be reopened because we do not change error classes
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We have a second item for the PEP (or Guide) section (but I think I prefer in
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So I changed the title a bit.
On 6/10/2011 3:49 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Nick Cogh
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is what I expect and want the default to be, not the Terry/whatever that I have
never used (or the admin/whatever if I
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Jack, I would wipe out the tcl directory and rerun the 2.7.1 installer,
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Either code or doc must change (with 'version changed' note). Doc: "The default
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only the exception type and value are printed."
Christian's patch: "v
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already in the site-variables section (where I think they should be), not in
builtin funcs. Did someone move them since? If so, you should discuss rather
than just revert.
The
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Is this a security issue or just a regular bug?
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A bug for tracker purposes is a discrepancy between doc and code. That can be
fixed in current versions. A design change is a feature request and can only go
in future versions. A deprecation warning for one cycle is desirable when
appropriate
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If the code were acting exactly as documented, I would consider this a feature
request. But "require that the parameter also be an instance of set()" (from
original message) is too limited.
>>> set() | frozenset()
set()
So 'set&#
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If I understand, since the present patch uses present opcode semantics, adding
a rotate, it could go into 2.7 and 3.2. Correct?
3.3 could get an improved patch that instead changed opcodes to expect key and
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Is this something that would actually be useful to someone using compile()?
See #12207 also
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I believe this issue should be closed and have set it to pending.
The original report of a 'bug' and the two 'testcases' were and are invalid as
they are based on an incorrect understanding of SequenceMatcher. It is not a
diff program and
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>ValueError: unsupported character (U+1): Tcl doesn't support characters
>outside U+-U+ range
Slightly shorter and without the double :s.
ValueError: character U+1 is above the range (U+-U+) allowed by
Tcl/Tk.
I agree wi
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I agree that all table entries should link to the entry in the same file.
dict() and set() also jump to CH. 4, in addition to memoryview and frozenset.
Others all work properly.
The entries for classes should generally have a link to their section in &#
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The patch does 3 things:
1. clarify that 'amt' in 'the next amt bytes' means 'amount'.
I do not think this is necessary; 'the next blah bytes' is clear. Actually,
'amt' really means 'number', not &#
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getabsfile(object, _filename=None)
Return an absolute path to the source or compiled file for an object.
The idea is for each object to have a unique origin, so this routine
normalizes t
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Are you requesting that the doc be changed or the code?
>From the title, I would infer the doc (which is much easier ;-).
If so, can you suggest an actual revised text?
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That, like Antoine, I also could not reproduce, even in 3.2.0, when running
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After more thought and investigation, I have changed my opinions on this issue.
Allowing unicode string for locale in 2.7:
Since the module predates unicode strings (it is in 1.5) and since the locale
string is passed to a C function, 'string' in t
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Victor, the issue for 3.x, which remains, is to improve the error message. I
also suggested a doc change, though I would like Mark or Martin's comments
before I would make it.
>But I think that the commit is just useless because we will have to wa
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from collections import namedtuple as _namedtuple
Match = _namedtuple('Match', 'a b size')
and used for the return values of SeqeunceMatcher.get_longest_match and
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"The data type of the arguments to the method have no necessary relationship
with the datatype of the object." While true in general, in it not true with
respect
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(The message I deleted was a duplicate of the original).
Verified with 3.2.0 on WinXP (Jacob, I/O issues, including keyboard, especially
need system specified. What is yours? If Windows, this might be
Windows-specific.)
With CAPS LOCK on, Cntl-N, Cntl-O
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With a bit of searching, HOST == support.HOST == 'localhost'. Looking at the
traceback, it is socket that fails, not telnetlib or its test. Hence the
clearer title.
I am still curious what you propose: catch and skip or something else? For
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Soren, this is an issue that claimed a bug, not a bug. The resolution is that
the claim appears false because the problem arose from using unicode rather
than bytes url. The error message may be confusing, but the error class cannot
be changed. Senthil says
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A crash is a segfault or equivalent.
Python 2.6 only gets security fixes.
PyAMF does not run on Python 3. Hence a problem with PyAMF is no evidence of a
problem with 3.x. Separate tests/examples would be needed.
Changes are not bugs unless they introduce a
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Did things like "u'a'+'\xf0'" work in 2.6- (with implicit latin-1 decoding)? (I
do not have 2.6 loaded.)
The doc for seq+seq (concatenation) in the language reference section 5.6.
Binary arithmetic operations says that both s
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Vlad, thanks for delving into this. Your two header changes are contradictory.
If this is a feature request, then it is 3.3 only. If this is a behavior (bug)
issue, then 3.2 should be included ;-). 'higstar's second comment indicates
'feature
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I presume we are discussing Chapter 4. Execution model. I do not see any
mention there of the difference between function definition and body execution
time. The section of def statements (7.6) has this: "The function definition
does not execute the fun
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Running your code with 2.7.2 gives:
Traceback (most recent call last):
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File "C:\Programs\Python27\lib\unittest\main.py", line 95, in __init
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In 2.7, bytes is an alias for str to aid porting to 3.x.
>>> bytes is str
True
>>> type(bytes())
I suspect the doc uses 'bytes' rather than 'str' because it was backported from
3.x. Perhaps it should be changed but
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"... their code. (This obviously does not apply to new classes, functions, or
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+del cache[self._job]
The difference in tests is
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Victor, do you agree with the simpler method
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I agree with adding '(absolute value)'. I think the following covers the NaN
behavior. "NaN acts as a positive value that cannot be negated." This should be
added to both doc and docstring.
I do not think we generally specify the n
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bugs shows with a import statement. In any case, no one is signed up for
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