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-1 on this
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Regarding the sample code in:
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If an IndexError is raised inside an iterator in the "equivalent" code
from the docs, the generator stops and the error is swallowed.
If an IndexError
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reported it as a problem, I think it would make sense to make the discrepancy
explicit.
Alternatively a generalized note can be added to the documentation of itertools
stating that the
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I would like to report that I found a mistake in the document of "help(set)".
In the document all the __i*__ methods are described exactly like the same
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Operator <> was removed in Python 3, but still appears in Grammar/Grammar (and
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I think the "counter" attribute is mentioned for the first time in the
example code, not "in Instance of MyClass created above", i.e. cl
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The docs for logging.handlers.TimedRotatingFileHandler in Python 2.7 say that
the "utc" keyword argument was added in 2.7:
http://docs.python.org/library/logging.handlers.html#timedrotatingfilehan
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Yep, I agree, Ori.
The paragraph immediately preceding the code sample says:
"Data attributes need not be declared; like local variables, they spring
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in the documentation
(http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen.send_signal)
is a bug.
CTRL_C_EVENT can not be sent to processes started with a creationflags
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Attaching a patch with a clarifying comment in Grammar/Grammar. Should be
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60197:0ab89e8bdedc
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The flags 're' accept are numeric underneath, and the current value of "no
flags" is just 0, which is also specified in the documentation as the default
value. However, using raw numeric values is not a good programming practice.
The su
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Antoine, what's the outcome of people wondering about the difference? I don't
see what's bad about it, it's not as if people are writing (or supposed to
write) code that does arithmetic on these flag values. Their only usage is to:
1
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Amaury & Georg,
Grepping through the docs disagrees with your claims ;-) Try to grep for
"\=None\]" to see what I mean. There are tons of places where default values
are placed inside the brackets. For example in
http://docs.python.org/li
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Graeme, any news on this?
If you re-do the patch for current tip and address the review comments, I think
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Hmm, I've just notice that this [default=val] pattern already exists in the
're' docs in 2.7, for example:
subn(repl, string[, count=0])
So my change was consistent within the documentation of this module.
No doubt, the conventions are c
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I have converted the Doc/library/re.rst doc of 2.7 to follow the new convention
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Éric, do you feel strongly about the wording, or can I just go ahead and commit
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Our Hg repo has some useful hooks on commit messages that allow to
specify which issue to notify for commits, and which issue to close.
AFAIU, it's currently documented only in the code of the hook
(http://hg.python.org/hooks/file/tip/hgroundup.py
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You should also explicitly specify what happens in several optional but not
keyword args are needed. AFAIU the convention is:
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Attaching a patch with the suggested change. Based on the doc-string in the
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Petri, I have actually tried to stay consistent within the same document, and
it uses ' for this level of heading. Perhaps it's just not following the Sphinx
guide?
IIRC the restructured text parser will also shout at you if these are
in
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Nice, I didn't know about issue #2771 ;-)
Will update the patch!
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An updated patch attached, explaining that several issues can be mentioned in a
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Ezio, regarding your latest message:
"The problem is when the default placeholder is some unique object() or some
_internal value (we had something similar with a socket timeout once)."
I hope this should be rare enough not to present a significa
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Sandro - yep, the sentinels arg is also undocumented in
multiprocessing.PipeConnection.recv() and further down the road...
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However, sentinels *are* mentioned in the multiprocessing doc, below
multiprocessing.Process:
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sentinel
A numeric handle of a system object which will become “ready” when the
process ends.
On Windows, this is an OS handle usable wit
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What you say makes sense, now I just have to dig up where I saw instances of [,
opt1, opt2]
If anything, this is another proof that such conventions must be agreed upon
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so in other tracker issues and think it's a good idea personally.""
Probably,
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Committed, with the fix suggested by Éric
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Eric,
Spot on :-)
This is *exactly* the reason that led me to open issue 12875, which eventually
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Éric, feel free to fix it to your heart's desire ;-) I think that having it
documented is far more important than nuances in nomenclature, so I'm -0 on
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Michał Chałupczak reported in this docs@ list that the links to IBM
developerworks articles are wrong.
>From some additional observation, the code samples on the 3.x page use the
>external `functional` module, which was not ported to Python 3 at a
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Andrew, thanks, but I still think it's a bigger problem that the page discusses
a module which is not available on Python 3.x - this means that a user
following the page can't just type in the code and make it run.
The links can be fixed and kept
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> about porting plans?
I hope to find the time. I was also thinking about an alternative - since the
HOWTO probably uses just a handful of functions from that module perhap
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'bool' is just one of many conversion functions that convert their argument to
the type they designate. Does this doc problem only exist for 'bool' or also
for 'int', 'float' and
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Éric, this is for embedding a Python interpreter in a C/C++ application. I tend
to agree that the official doc page
(http://docs.python.org/extending/embedding.html) on this topic is somewhat
lacking in the area of the configuration/compilation procedure
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I've decided to study the multiprocessing module a bit, and carefully went over
the docs (for 2.7). Some small fixes I will commit myself, but a few issues
came up on which I'd like some opinion from others. In rough order of
appearance in the d
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10. Unless I'm missing something entirely obvious, except in the examples it
says that Value has a "value" attribute for actual data access. One is expected
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Éric, I'm not sure that the note is necessary at all, but once it's there, it
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Fix committed & issue closed.
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Closing this issue, since it specifically refers to the select error which was
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Ezio, you're right, there are still a lot of undocumented symbols (functions,
classes, globals). I compiled a list of those I could not find in the .rst
docs, excluding ones that are only used in regrtest.py i
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os.popen() is certainly deprecated. Its documentation in both 2.6 and 2.7 notes:
Deprecated since version 2.6: This function is obsolete. Use the subprocess
module.
Indeed, the Python 3.x library/os.rst doc mentions it several times, but the
documentation
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Brian - great, thanks.
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>From a cursory look at reference/datamodel and library/operator, I see no
>other instances of this error. I didn't read every word, however (just grepped
>for possible operator/operand mismatches).
Also, AFAICS this error is only in 2.7 - the
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In my opinion, it's the error messages and docstrings that should be changed,
not the documentation. This module was introduced in 2.6 and moves on to 2.7,
and there's no reason to have it throw confusing errors for the sake of easier
back-patchin
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The difference between 2.6 and 2.7 stems from the rewrite of the IO library in
C that was made for 2.7
The error Terry sees gets thrown here (in Modules/_io/stringio.c):
if (!PyUnicode_Check(obj)) {
PyErr_Format(PyExc_TypeError, "string arg
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Peter, doesn't your patch also refer to the meaning of * and ** in function
definitions?
I would argue that the missing reference is to a paragraph further down:
[...] If the syntax *expression appears in the function call, expression
must evaluate
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On one hand, I agree that the situation isn't intuitive. Why should some
methods of bytearray accept bytearrays, and some shouldn't?
On the other hand, this actually has rather deep implementation reasons.
Methods like 'translate' are im
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> The documentation for Queue in all versions of Python 2.7 and 2.6 (see
> http://docs.python.org/release/2.6.7/library/queue.html#module-Queue for
> the 2.7 docs) has the title "queue -- A synchronized queue class." The
> module, howeve
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> > "unicode argument expected, got '%s'"
> > as Terry suggested.
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> Sounds good to me.
>
Terry, what are your thoughts?
Can I commit th
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Peter, would you like to submit a corrected patch?
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Alright, since *some* tests are better than no tests at all, I will try to
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Brett, what do you mean by "listed as an essential test in regrtest". The
regrtest.STDTESTS list?
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This changeset incorporates Giampaolo's patch with a minor fix in
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OK, I can reproduce the problem on a clean virtual machine running a pristine
XP home SP2. No Python was previously installed.
Steps to reproduce:
1. Install Python 3.2.1 MSI from http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.1/
2. Run IDLE from start menu
3
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Am I missing something, or is there no explicit command to kill the subprocess
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The kill_subprocess method (which does get invoked) of ModifiedInterpreter is:
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