[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

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[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

Jeff Ramnani added the comment: I've checked Lib/site.py and it tells the user to use 'Ctrl-Z' to exit the prompt when they are running Windows. Perhaps this means we can close the ticket, since discussion on this issue seems to have dissipated? -- nosy: +jramnani __

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

Westley Martínez added the comment: This is annoying. Every beginner's Python tutorial I've read made it very clear how to exactly exit the interactive shell. Ctrl has been in use for years. Changing it for novices' sake is ridiculous. Do we need to expand every abbreviation? Python will turn

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

Tim Golden added the comment: Not necessarily; pyreadline takes over from the standard console functionality on Windows in order to emulate a more Unix-ish approach. I prefer the Windows default. There's nothing to stop someone downloading and installing pyreadline as a third-party package on W

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

anatoly techtonik added the comment: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > This to me is getting stupid.  Let's make a decision and move on, there are > far more pressing issues that need attention. Do you think that getting `readline` module to run on Windows is stupid?

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anatoly techtonik added the comment: >> Why not to ship it in Python by default? > > Because it is under GPL? pyreadline is under BSD. -- ___ Python tracker ___

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Mark Lawrence added the comment: c:\py3k\Lib>py32 Python 3.2a0 (py3k:83057M, Jul 22 2010, 15:20:27) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> ^D File "", line 1 ♦ ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax [49008 refs] >>> This

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

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[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:32 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > Why not to ship it in Python by default? > Because it is under GPL? -- nosy: +Alexander.Belopolsky ___ Python tracker

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

anatoly techtonik added the comment: It appears that `import pyreadline` goes ok. It appears that this lib is used for unification of console incompatibilities between platform. Why not to ship it in Python by default? -- ___ Python tracker

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Brian Curtin added the comment: Do you have pyreadline installed? If so, that is causing it. If not, it's something else as Ctrl-D is not an EOF character on Windows. -- ___ Python tracker

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anatoly techtonik added the comment: Something is broken in your 3.1.2 - this is Ctrl-D for me. {{{ Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002] Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\~env\Python26>python Python 2.6.5 (r265:79096, Mar 19 2010, 21:48:26) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

Brian Curtin added the comment: Python 3.1.2 (r312:79149, Mar 21 2010, 00:41:52) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> ^D File "", line 1 ♦ ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax -- nosy: +brian.curtin

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anatoly techtonik added the comment: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: >> >> Could we (easily) add a third line at startup that says how to quit? > > +1 +1 - Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. + Type "help", "copyright", "credits"

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

anatoly techtonik added the comment: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > > I think you missed the point of the story that I posted.  The young > user, who was not completely new to computers, by the way, was not > familiar with "Ctrl"  abbreviation and there was no ke

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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > Mark Lawrence added the comment: > > Could we (easily) add a third line at startup that says how to quit? +1 Alternatively, we can add the second line to help output: Type help() for interacti

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Mark Lawrence added the comment: Could we (easily) add a third line at startup that says how to quit? -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Py

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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: .. > 2) Python is not responsible for dotting every i and crossing every t for a > computer novice. Yes, but it is not responsible for teaching a novice more than one way to exit the interpreter rig

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Mark Lawrence added the comment: 1) I'm with Michael on this one. 2) Python is not responsible for dotting every i and crossing every t for a computer novice. What would the novice make of my HP keyboard which doesn't have keys marked RETURN or BS, they both have symbols. There isn't an ANY

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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:48 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: .. > Type exit() or press Ctrl-D to exit. Anatoly, I think you missed the point of the story that I posted. The young user, who was not completely new to computers, by the way, was not familiar

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Michael Foord added the comment: +1 to improving the message and improving the help message too. -- nosy: +michael.foord ___ Python tracker ___ __

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anatoly techtonik added the comment: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: > I suggest changing > > Use exit() or Ctrl-D (i.e. EOF) to exit > >  to > > Type exit() or quit() and press the Enter key to exit Type exit() or press Ctrl-D to exit. -- nosy: +techtoni

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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: > On another note: I've sometimes wanted quit() to exit from a running > script to the python console so I can do a little value checking. This is what -i command line switch or PYTHONINSPECT environment variable is for. See python -h output. -

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Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: Now, as I look at it, the windows message is probably even worse. What is "plus"? Is "Ctrl-Z" control *minus* z? For a novice, you really have to say: press Ctrl and Z keys together and then press Return or Enter key. Of course this longer phrase is

[issue9362] Make exit/quit hint more novice friendly

Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: > I assume that this is on *nix boxes It's a bit of a stretch to call OSX unix, but yes: >> Laptop = a MacBook Air If you have not seen one of these, the control key is marked "control" on its keyboard. --

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Mark Lawrence added the comment: I assume that this is on *nix boxes, on Windows it's:- >>> quit Use quit() or Ctrl-Z plus Return to exit >>> exit Use exit() or Ctrl-Z plus Return to exit -- nosy: +BreamoreBoy ___ Python tracker

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Ron Adam added the comment: I agree it could be improved a bit. A little experimenting comes up with the following inconsistencies. >>> quit Use quit() or Ctrl-D (i.e. EOF) to exit >>> exit Use exit() or Ctrl-D (i.e. EOF) to exit help(exit) and help(quit) is not helpful. It instead shows the

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New submission from Alexander Belopolsky : This bikeshed have been repainted several times already, but here is a true story. Cast: Me = myself Novice = a 14-year-old boy Laptop = a MacBook Air Novice: How do i exit [from python prompt]? Me: What's your best guess? Novice: [typing] exit [pres