[issue24813] Redesign Help => About IDLE, make it non-modal

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Still needs to make non-modal and consider other ideas. -- nosy: -kbk, roger.serwy versions: +Python 3.10 -Python 3.6, Python 3.7 ___ Python tracker ___

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset 413c0a92bcc92efe92849fe5e711163da453410b by terryjreedy in branch '3.6': [3.6] bpo-24813: IDLE tagline is Integrated Development and Learning Environment (GH-2451) (#2461) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/413c0a92bcc92efe92849fe5e711163d

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset 592eda123329bb5ce2bffcbe3701be6b909f1b2a by terryjreedy (Mark Roseman) in branch 'master': bpo-24813: IDLE tagline is Integrated Development and Learning Environment (#2451) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/592eda123329bb5ce2bffcbe3701be

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Mark Roseman added the comment: FYI, just added a trivial pull request to change the tagline in the about dialog to 'integrated development and learning environment'. It's showing up as from python-dev as I hadn't (yet) added my github name to my bpo prefs. Got to start somewhere! --

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: Is this the re-arrangement? A. What the patch does not do is switch from buttons to blue-underlined links, as I have discussed elsewhere, nor do other rearrangements and changes. I want to move What's New to the top, move the Python license and copyright to

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: This completes 1,3,and 4. Pause for now as I would like to try my re-arrangement next, before worrying about modality. -- ___ Python tracker _

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset 8047f02a4b0db81cb023df1f5ce4cc1c42d17821 by terryjreedy in branch '3.6': [3.6] bpo-24813: IDLE: Add build bitness to About Idle title (GH-2380) (#2426) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/8047f02a4b0db81cb023df1f5ce4cc1c42d17821 --

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset 9a02ae3d3d645f0c8178f3362694f473bab6fe3e by terryjreedy (csabella) in branch 'master': bpo-24813: IDLE: Add build bitness to About Idle title (#2380) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/9a02ae3d3d645f0c8178f3362694f473bab6fe3e -- _

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: Created issue 30756. On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Terry J. Reedy wrote: > > Terry J. Reedy added the comment: > > You should have enough data to open an issue; make Serhiy Storchaka (and > me) nosy. Does the same test fail consistently or not? % of failur

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: You should have enough data to open an issue; make Serhiy Storchaka (and me) nosy. Does the same test fail consistently or not? % of failures. When it takes longer, is there a particular place in the stream of results where it pauses? When I run it on master

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: Sometimes that test fails and sometimes it doesn't, even if I run it several times in a row. When it does fail, it runs a lot longer than when it doesn't. So, I'm trying to figure out the difference before reporting it. Since the failure takes time, I'm thi

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: There are no *nix buildbots running gui tests. Please run python3 -m test.test_ttk_guionly -v and post failure part of result on core_mentorship or open a tracker issue. -- ___ Python tracker

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: $:~/cpython/Lib$ /home/cheryl/cpython/python -m test -ugui == CPython 3.7.0a0 (heads/bpo24813:48fbe52, Jun 23 2017, 15:42:25) [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] == Linux-4.4.0-78-generic-x86_64-with-debian-stretch-sid little-endian == hash algorithm: siphash24 64bit == cwd: /

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: I should have been clearer - the full *python* test suite, not just IDLE, an with gui available -- "python -m test -ugui". I don't think the check is applied with just one file, and definitely not with 'test.test_idle' versus 'test -ugui test_idle'. The for

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: I had run the full test before pushing the changes without any messages. I didn't run it with any options though. -- $:~/cpython/Lib$ /home/cheryl/cpython/python -m test.test_idle

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Please run the full test suite to see if it ends with a warning about test_idle altering something. I cannot because of #30715. I usually save and restore original objects when mocking, but I don't really know when this is and is not needed. -- ___

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: There is something more I want to add: the bitness of the machine. >>> platform.architecture() ('64bit', 'WindowsPE') Display as '(64 bit)' or '(32 bit). For the moment, add this to the title since it will not necessarily fit after python version. See the do

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset bd570f42110b99bade6e58e3ed2d620f27a92fc3 by terryjreedy in branch '3.6': [3.6] bpo-24813: IDLE: Add default title to help_about (GH-2366) (#2369) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/bd570f42110b99bade6e58e3ed2d620f27a92fc3 -- _

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: tk Text does not have a ttk version and does have default and tab settable colors. Maybe I should start experimenting with tagged text instead of Labels and Buttons. Let's skip 4 for now. You can work on 'default non-model' (I don't want to toss the modal c

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset 18ede062581edb7e8d359d02cd3419466114cf5a by terryjreedy (csabella) in branch 'master': bpo-24813: IDLE: Add default title to help_about (#2366) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/18ede062581edb7e8d359d02cd3419466114cf5a -- ___

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: I submitted a PR for #1. For #4, I had a question to this related to ttk widgets. When I had moved the widgets to ttk, I had to remove the fg and bg settings because the ttk versions of Label, Frame, and Widget don't have those as part of their config. Do yo

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: New changeset 1b7474dedcbbd731a362b17abfbd7e5a60b64f63 by terryjreedy in branch '3.6': [3.6] bpo-24813: IDLE: Add icon to help_about (GH-2335) (#2359) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/1b7474dedcbbd731a362b17abfbd7e5a60b64f63 -- __

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: I experimented with how the icon looks with different backgrounds, for point 4. Because the paper holes are transparent, white is bad, proposed light gray okay, black is good. Overall white on black is better than white on current dingy gray, so I consider m

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Cheryl Sabella added the comment: I submitted a PR for #3. In Mark's patch, he had moved the existing text, email, docs, etc to column 1 instead of column 0 for better looking alignment. I can add that part of the redesign, but for now I just added the icon. -- _

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Cheryl, I suggest to start with any of 1, 3, and 4. My preference is 3. To be sure of avoiding merge conflicts, I would do one at a time. Narrowly focused PRs should be quick to review, test, and merge. -- nosy: +csabella ___

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Terry J. Reedy added the comment: The proposed patch does several things that can be considered independently. 1. Give the 'title' parameter a default value 'About IDLE'. Instead, add the python/IDLE version, as done for IDLE doc in help.py. (In both cases, one might wonder why title is a pa

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Changes by Terry J. Reedy : -- assignee: -> terry.reedy stage: -> test needed title: Idle Help dialogs shouldn't be modal -> Redesign Help => About IDLE, make it non-modal versions: +Python 3.7 -Python 2.7, Python 3.5 ___ Python tracker