Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Alexandre DERUMIER
>>LXC seems to slowly develop - the bad news is that RH just dropped support >>for >>it :-/ >>(at least the announced that in a press release). Any link about this. I found an article saying the opposite http://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-gets-serious-about-supporting-container-style-virtu

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Alexandre DERUMIER
>>Docker is more about 1 process (apache,mysql,) = 1 container Note that it's possible to run multiple process in 1 docker, using some apps like supervisor, which manage process/services https://docs.docker.com/articles/using_supervisord/ I found also some fosdem infos about ovirt/docker/

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Alexandre DERUMIER
>>Docker is best run inside a VM. It makes no sense to run such limited >>containers >>on the host. Same opinion for me. I'm begin to use docker in production, inside qemu guest. (mainly to deploy php applications) Docker is more about 1 process (apache,mysql,) = 1 container - Mail or

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> Check out the concept of 'linking' in Docker. You basically build multiple > containers and link them together. With links between containers, ports > will be opened and restricted to and between the linked containers. It's a > pretty neat concept. Basically, it becomes a clustered app. I know t

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Daniel Hunsaker
Good point. I'd forgotten they'd moved to that. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 12:21 Waschbüsch IT-Services GmbH < serv...@waschbuesch.it> wrote: > > > Am 29.03.2015 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Hunsaker : > > > > There's Gentoo, which seemed pretty solid and stable while I was using > it, but I haven't looke

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Waschbüsch IT-Services GmbH
> Am 29.03.2015 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Hunsaker : > > There's Gentoo, which seemed pretty solid and stable while I was using it, > but I haven't looked at their kernels lately to see how they are faring... But being a rolling-release OS, would that be at all suitable? Martin signature.asc D

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Martin Lanner
Check out the concept of 'linking' in Docker. You basically build multiple containers and link them together. With links between containers, ports will be opened and restricted to and between the linked containers. It's a pretty neat concept. Basically, it becomes a clustered app. Now, from this d

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Daniel Hunsaker
There's Gentoo, which seemed pretty solid and stable while I was using it, but I haven't looked at their kernels lately to see how they are faring... On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 12:08 Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > I guess that is not really the problem, but Docker is intended to run > > applications not f

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Waschbüsch IT-Services GmbH
> Am 29.03.2015 um 20:07 schrieb Dietmar Maurer : > >> I guess that is not really the problem, but Docker is intended to run >> applications not full systems like the way it works for OpenVZ now. > > It is even more limited. The idea is to run single binaries inside a docker > container. Agreed

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> I guess that is not really the problem, but Docker is intended to run > applications not full systems like the way it works for OpenVZ now. It is even more limited. The idea is to run single binaries inside a docker container. But in real world, most applications need to run many different binar

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Kamil Trzciński
I would like to see Docker integration in PVE, but me too don't really see it how it should work. There are plenty of other projects that are better. Maybe it would be good to evaluate whether Docker can be used for full system containerization (if I remember correctly they allow mounting /), but o

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> > We do not have very good experiences with Ubuntu LTS kernels ... > > > Then I can only think of Debian. Sure, that is always an option. ___ pve-devel mailing list pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com http://pve.proxmox.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pve-devel

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:29:53 +0200 (CEST) Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > We do not have very good experiences with Ubuntu LTS kernels ... > Then I can only think of Debian. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> I'm just saying that in the same way OpenVZ is great, it would be equally > great to have similar functionality in PVE around Docker that has been > available for OpenVZ. A docker container is very limited (compared to OpenVZ), and it simply makes no sense to add a GUI for starting/stopping sim

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> > Why do you say that Docker is best run in a VM? On the contrary, I > > think it would be great to run Docker natively on the Proxmox host and > > have a visual representation of what container images have been > > downloaded, which ones are running and using NoVNC to attached > > directly to a

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Martin Lanner
Unsafe in which way? From a security point of view of from a "you might completely botch your PVE installation"? If the latter, that's OK on the particular system I tried it on, as it's just a testing system. If the former, then that's more concerning, but on the host I have it, it still doesn't ma

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Kamil Trzciński
I guess that is not really the problem, but Docker is intended to run applications not full systems like the way it works for OpenVZ now. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > Why do you say that Docker is best run in a VM? On the contrary, I > > think it would be great to r

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> Why do you say that Docker is best run in a VM? On the contrary, I > think it would be great to run Docker natively on the Proxmox host and > have a visual representation of what container images have been > downloaded, which ones are running and using NoVNC to attached > directly to a container.

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> > What kernel would you suggest? My feeling is that RH kernel is still most > > stable. > > > The kernel for Ubuntu server seems stable and well maintained. If you > choose 14.04 LTS then you receive maintenance until Q1 2019. We do not have very good experiences with Ubuntu LTS kernels ... __

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Martin Lanner
than LXC 1.1.0 support it now. (so live migration should works). >> >> >> >> BTW, still no news of openvz 3.10 kernel git :( >> ___ >> pve-devel mailing list >> pve-devel@pve.proxmox.com >> http://pv

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > What kernel would you suggest? My feeling is that RH kernel is still most > stable. > The kernel for Ubuntu server seems stable and well maintained. If you choose 14.04 LTS then you receive maintenance until Q1 2019. -- Hilse

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> If RedHat isn't going to support the technologies we need, and OpenVZ is > evaporating anyway, maybe we should consider a different kernel? One where > KVM and LXC, at least, will be fully supported? It seems that creating our > own team to manage backporting kernel patches ourselves would be

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:26:32 + Daniel Hunsaker wrote: > If RedHat isn't going to support the technologies we need, and OpenVZ is > evaporating anyway, maybe we should consider a different kernel? One where > KVM and LXC, at least, will be fully supported? It seems that creating our > own te

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 18:10:17 +0200 (CEST) Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > Docker is best run inside a VM. It makes no sense to run such limited > containers > on the host. > I agree. I was only referring to 'the bad news is that RH just dropped support for it :-/ ' -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmus

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Daniel Hunsaker
If RedHat isn't going to support the technologies we need, and OpenVZ is evaporating anyway, maybe we should consider a different kernel? One where KVM and LXC, at least, will be fully supported? It seems that creating our own team to manage backporting kernel patches ourselves would be difficult

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> > Yes - I started to remove the OpenVZ code from the jessie branch for that > > reason > > now. > > LXC seems to slowly develop - the bad news is that RH just dropped support > > for > > it :-/ > > (at least the announced that in a press release). > > > > Any ideas are highly appreciated ... >

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 17:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Dietmar Maurer wrote: > LXC seems to slowly develop - the bad news is that RH just dropped support for > it :-/ This blog post from 2014-09 shows that LXC online migration is very near to be available: http://tycho.ws/blog/2014/09/container-migration.htm

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 17:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Dietmar Maurer wrote: > > Yes - I started to remove the OpenVZ code from the jessie branch for that > reason > now. > LXC seems to slowly develop - the bad news is that RH just dropped support for > it :-/ > (at least the announced that in a press rele

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> So it seem than LXC 1.1.0 support it now. (so live migration should works). > > > > BTW, still no news of openvz 3.10 kernel git :( Yes - I started to remove the OpenVZ code from the jessie branch for that reason now. LXC seems to slowly develop - the bad news is that RH just dropped suppo

Re: [pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Stefan Priebe - Profihost AG
As far as i understood the latest openvz news. It's dead. And there will be a new virtuozzo open source edition but no longer openvz stuff. Greets, Stefan Excuse my typo sent from my mobile phone. > Am 29.03.2015 um 15:25 schrieb Alexandre DERUMIER : > > Hi, > > I just notice some change on

[pve-devel] criu for lxc news on criu.org

2015-03-29 Thread Alexandre DERUMIER
Hi, I just notice some change on the criu wiki http://criu.org/LXC http://criu.org/index.php?title=LXC&diff=2249&oldid=1721 LXC upstream has begun to integrate checkpoint/restore support through the lxc-checkpoint tool. This functionality has been in the recent released version of LXC---LXC