Re: metacity window resize [OT rant]

2002-10-12 Thread Havoc Pennington
Ted Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > And I don't have a problem with adding keybindings for both lower > > window and vert/horz maximize. Those bugs are open on gnome.org. > > I saw that, but I haven't yet jumped into the fray. I'm not an active > Gnome developer, so I thought I would hang

Re: metacity window resize [OT rant]

2002-10-11 Thread Jason Gilbert
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 09:37:34AM -0500, Ted Clark wrote: > So, if something is a major usability problem for a small number of > users, is then a minor usability problem overall? Are experienced users > more or less important than "new converts" migrating over from Windows? > Do you want

Re: metacity window resize [OT rant]

2002-10-11 Thread Havoc Pennington
Ted Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. I see from reading http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html > on your home page that you are strongly in favor or removing > preferences from software. Well, let's qualify that a bit. As I argue on that page, the question is not "prefs good"/"pr

Re: metacity window resize [OT rant]

2002-10-11 Thread Gerry Tool
Ted Clark wrote: WARNING: This post is a thinly veiled excuse to whine about the removeal of FVWM and/or the brokeness of sawfish 2.0 as shipped with Red Hat 8.0. If you don't care about these things, click 'delete' now. (not you Havoc ;-) This helps to illustrate some important usability is

Re: metacity window resize

2002-10-11 Thread Havoc Pennington
Ted Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is there a FSG standard for this, or at least a proposal for a standard? > > I think it will be very hard to get a sufficient number of application > developers and ISVs all headed in the same direction unless there is a > published standard for this sort

Re: metacity window resize [OT rant]

2002-10-11 Thread Ted Clark
Havoc Pennington wrote: We can't rely on Alt+click to solve the offscreen-window problem because Alt+click is a hidden feature most users won't find. If you're noticing a recurring theme: unless most users will find a solution, it isn't a solution. ;-) WARNING: This post is a thinly veiled excu

Re: metacity window resize

2002-10-11 Thread Ted Clark
Havoc Pennington wrote: Ted Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It seems that this discussion is rapidly moving toward "I can't see the forest because of the trees." From six miles up it's clear that Rene has a problem that Linux (or rather X window managers) are compounding rather than solving.

Re: metacity window resize

2002-10-08 Thread Havoc Pennington
John Coldrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 23:21, Jamie Athanassakis wrote: > > I use a sony vaio which has 2 button touchpad mouse. I know metacity > > allows you to resize a window interactivley but only with the MIDDLE > > mouse button (pressing both mouse buttons and the

Re: metacity window resize

2002-10-08 Thread John Coldrick
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 23:21, Jamie Athanassakis wrote: > I use a sony vaio which has 2 button touchpad mouse. I know metacity > allows you to resize a window interactivley but only with the MIDDLE > mouse button (pressing both mouse buttons and the "alt" key and moving > the mouse doesn't really cu