Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Kloiber
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 03:30, David Durst wrote: > What you just state can in no other way be described but "That SUCKS!" Didn't anyone ever tell you that life isn't fair? > Ok I get the point, I was not aware that they charged for each distributed > copy. Hmmm ponders a install/download wizard fo

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-22 Thread David Durst
What you just state can in no other way be described but "That SUCKS!" Ok I get the point, I was not aware that they charged for each distributed copy. Hmmm ponders a install/download wizard for java :) Ok, is there anyway that the RH partnership w/ IBM could be leveraged to achieve the desired??

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Chris Kloiber
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 19:33, David Durst wrote: > I am not sure why you say 1/2 closed, and 2nd THERE IS MARKET DEMAND. > Has anyone looked at the major deployments of LINUX and why it is being used > its mostly in JAVA. > > And Tomcat, Jboss, apache are all open sourced just not GPLed. > > You c

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
> On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 19:01, David Durst wrote: >> Ok there are 2 issues I have just realized w/ this secondary software >> CD. >> >> It needs to be broken into 2. >> >> Redhat needs to come out w/ new CD/Software offering called: >> Redhat Application Server - Includes: Java SDK, Tomcat, JBOSS,

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Chris Kloiber
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 19:01, David Durst wrote: > Ok there are 2 issues I have just realized w/ this secondary software CD. > > It needs to be broken into 2. > > Redhat needs to come out w/ new CD/Software offering called: > Redhat Application Server - Includes: Java SDK, Tomcat, JBOSS, Apache w/

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
Ok, then wouldn't it also be possible to let people download? Maybe I am wrong but I think you can mirror for SUN or IBM on the JAVA thing. And yeah well hmmm when you buy a RH Box Set do you know what you are technically paying for? its not the software inside its the 6 months of support included

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thursday 21 November 2002 18:07, David Durst wrote: > Ok, I see your point. > But no one said that they HAD to support it. > But they don't control 97% of the software they distribute anyways. > So the major difference is that they can see the source, uh > anyone ask IBM for a VM under t

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
> On Thursday 21 November 2002 17:00, David Durst wrote: >> I just don't see your point, >> you spout off about Microsoft & Solar is. >> But you really don't make a FUNCTIONAL point about what is so horrible >> about distributing the said software. >> You say EULA - even Linux has a EULA you just d

RE: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
how it is to support software that you > know nothing about. That's the beauty of Linux, don't like it, DO IT > YOURSELF and stop complaining. > > Shaun > > -Original Message----- > From: David Durst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 20

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thursday 21 November 2002 17:00, David Durst wrote: > I just don't see your point, > you spout off about Microsoft & Solar is. > But you really don't make a FUNCTIONAL point about what is so horrible > about distributing the said software. > You say EULA - even Linux has a EULA you just don't ha

RE: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Carter, Shaun G
Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0 Heres what I am asking for: "Here is a car w/ a manual, here is the body kit, rims, spolier and CD Player you can put in the car - side note you DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM ON"

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
I just don't see your point, you spout off about Microsoft & Solaris. But you really don't make a FUNCTIONAL point about what is so horrible about distributing the said software. You say EULA - even Linux has a EULA you just don't have to click a button to accept it. If you would like me to underst

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thursday 21 November 2002 16:33, David Durst wrote: # You can LEGALLY distribute the the JRE and J2SDK. # # # For the most part you just don't get it. # You are so afraid the EULA that it ruins the OSes possiblities. # # Who CARES about the EULA of JAVA, IT DOESNT COST A DAMN THING! # # And w/ N

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
I am not sure why you say 1/2 closed, and 2nd THERE IS MARKET DEMAND. Has anyone looked at the major deployments of LINUX and why it is being used its mostly in JAVA. And Tomcat, Jboss, apache are all open sourced just not GPLed. You can LEGALLY distribute the the JRE and J2SDK. For the most pa

Re: Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thursday 21 November 2002 16:01, David Durst wrote: # Redhat needs to come out w/ new CD/Software offering called: # Redhat Application Server - Includes: Java SDK, Tomcat, JBOSS, Apache w/ # Java connector. Why would Red Hat be interested in producing a half closed source distro, that they ca

Ok mis wording the problem w/ 8.0

2002-11-21 Thread David Durst
Ok there are 2 issues I have just realized w/ this secondary software CD. It needs to be broken into 2. Redhat needs to come out w/ new CD/Software offering called: Redhat Application Server - Includes: Java SDK, Tomcat, JBOSS, Apache w/ Java connector. 2nd part is: Redhat desktop Support CD In