Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-30 Thread Rodolfo J. Paiz
At 02:05 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: So, let me re-phrase the question. What significant difference is there (if any) between RH8/9 outfitted compltetly open-source and RH secure server? Is secure server *NOT* open source. Can RH8/9 serve as a secure enterprise server system just as well as s

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-30 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 01:03:41 -0600, you wrote: >"Red Hat will provide errata maintenance for AT LEAST 12 months [... and] >may extend errata maintenance for certain popular releases[.]" > >Yes, up2date MAY go away for your RH release 12 months after it came out, >but there is no certainty that i

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-30 Thread Michael Fratoni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 March 2003 02:03 am, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > At 07:33 PM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >On Saturday 29 March 2003 06:55 pm, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > At 04:05 PM 3/25/2003 -0900, you wrote: > > > >After 12 months, up2date goes away if

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Rodolfo J. Paiz
At 07:33 PM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Saturday 29 March 2003 06:55 pm, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > At 04:05 PM 3/25/2003 -0900, you wrote: > >After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. > > Please provide evidence that this is true, as it does not match my > reading of the ava

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 13:00, Charles wrote: > I realize I am coming in a bit late, but would someone please expain > *exactly why* RH should not be run on the enterprise? The point is that it can. > There are folk in the local linux user group that assert that RH > simply cannot be ma

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Rodolfo J. Paiz
At 12:00 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: There are folk in the local linux user group that assert that RH simply cannot be made secure. I would really appreciate a little enlightenment on this. There are folks (still!) who assert the world is flat and simply cannot be made round. There are folks

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Michael Fratoni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 29 March 2003 06:55 pm, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > At 04:05 PM 3/25/2003 -0900, you wrote: > >After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. > > Please provide evidence that this is true, as it does not match my > reading of

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Rodolfo J. Paiz
At 04:05 PM 3/25/2003 -0900, you wrote: After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. Please provide evidence that this is true, as it does not match my reading of the available literature. A URL will suffice. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Psyche-list mailing list [E

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Charles
Ed Wilts wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:00:24PM -0600, Charles wrote: I realize I am coming in a bit late, but would someone please expain *exactly why* RH should not be run on the enterprise? No on can because the statement is false. There are folk in the local linux user group that as

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Ed Wilts
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:00:24PM -0600, Charles wrote: > I realize I am coming in a bit late, but would someone please expain > *exactly why* RH should not be run on the enterprise? No on can because the statement is false. > There are folk in the local linux user group that assert that RH

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Charles
Joe Klemmer wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 18:27, Guy Fraser wrote: You must be talking about home users without any important data. Many servers and workstations run until they can not be feasibly maintained, or there is a compelling reason to upgrade. Well, since we are discussing RH's Perso

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-29 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 17:52, Guy Fraser wrote: > That is why the company I work for has migrated all but two RH servers > to FreeBSD. [..] > Moving to FreeBSD has been an improvement over OSF/1,True64, Solaris, > SCO, BSDI and all other Linux Platforms. Free|Net|OpenBSD are all great op

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-28 Thread Eric Burke
Hiya, > Most servers do not run on enterprise class machines and standard or > proffesional Red Hat Linux > was just fine. I have to disagree here. For a small company, meaning less than 150 people maybe. Most companies run servers on server class equipment. In mine for example is all Dell and

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-28 Thread Guy Fraser
Joe Klemmer wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 18:27, Guy Fraser wrote: You must be talking about home users without any important data. Many servers and workstations run until they can not be feasibly maintained, or there is a compelling reason to upgrade. Well, since we are discussing RH's

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-27 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 18:27, Guy Fraser wrote: > You must be talking about home users without any important data. > > Many servers and workstations run until they can not be feasibly > maintained, or there is a compelling reason to upgrade. Well, since we are discussing RH's Personal/Pr

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-27 Thread Guy Fraser
You must be talking about home users without any important data. Many servers and workstations run until they can not be feasibly maintained, or there is a compelling reason to upgrade. Joe Klemmer wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 19:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: Starting with Red Hat 8.0 errata

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 07:38, Mike Vanecek uttered: > Under this new scheme of things, what is contained in rawhide, RH 9? rawhide is, and always will be, an alpha/beta package dumping grounds, continuing the development of OSS. These packages may/may not appear in a later release or errata

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wednesday 26 March 2003 07:34, Mike Vanecek uttered: > My basic subscription for the RH 8 channel does not expire until Feb 2004. > What will happen to my subscription after 12/31/03? Entitlements can be passed from one system to another, or from one release to the next. So if you install R

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-26 Thread Mike Vanecek
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:25:05 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote > On Tuesday 25 March 2003 17:05, Michael Smith uttered: > > After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. > > Again, I point you to the "At least 12 months" No where does it say > you get 12 months, and 12 months _only_ f

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-26 Thread Mike Vanecek
On 25 Mar 2003 16:05:09 -0900, Michael Smith wrote > After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. My basic subscription for the RH 8 channel does not expire until Feb 2004. What will happen to my subscription after 12/31/03? -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] h

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 17:05, Michael Smith uttered: > After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. Again, I point you to the "At least 12 months" No where does it say you get 12 months, and 12 months _only_ for up2date (RHN) services. -- Jesse Keating RHCE MCSE http://g

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 19:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > Starting with Red Hat 8.0 errata are only provided for 12 months after > release. The only products with errata periods longer than 12 months > are the products in the Enterprise line. With the average Joe User of Linux being used to

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Ed Wilts
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:15:58PM -0500, Justin Zygmont wrote: > we'll see very soon, at the end of the month 6.2 and 7.0 will expire. I'm > curious if there will be any package updates, but I somehow doubt there > will. 6.1 support has been terminated for quite a while. We simply grab the 6.

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:33:03 -0800, you wrote: >On Tuesday 25 March 2003 16:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >> It just won't be provided after 12 months. > >Wrong. popular releases will be supported for longer, releases such as 6.2 or >maybe even 7.3. If you read the fine print, it's "at least 12 m

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Michael Smith
After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise. THIS THREAD IS GOING OVERBOARD. On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 15:33, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tuesday 25 March 2003 16:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > It just won't be provided after 12 months. > > Wrong. popular releases will be supporte

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Justin Zygmont
we'll see very soon, at the end of the month 6.2 and 7.0 will expire. I'm curious if there will be any package updates, but I somehow doubt there will. On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tuesday 25 March 2003 16:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > It just won't be provided after 12 mo

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 16:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > It just won't be provided after 12 months. Wrong. popular releases will be supported for longer, releases such as 6.2 or maybe even 7.3. If you read the fine print, it's "at least 12 months" not "at the most 12 months". Seems to me tha

Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:40:11 -0800, you wrote: >Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > > So your average person at home now has a choice of Windows XP at $300 > > or Red Hat Enterprise Workstation at $300 ($60 a year after the first > > year for access to security fixes). Guess what, XP comes with full > >

[psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

2003-03-25 Thread Raul Acevedo
Gerald Henriksen wrote: > So your average person at home now has a choice of Windows XP at $300 > or Red Hat Enterprise Workstation at $300 ($60 a year after the first > year for access to security fixes). Guess what, XP comes with full > multimedia capabilities including MP3 and DVD, as well