How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Ben Johnson
Hello, We host mail services for a few dozen domains. We will eventually require TLS for all client connections. I have reviewed what seems to be the most comprehensive thread on this subject ( http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/TLS-SNI-support-td25552.html ) and, in light of that information,

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Ben Johnson : > Hello, > > We host mail services for a few dozen domains. We will eventually > require TLS for all client connections. > > I have reviewed what seems to be the most comprehensive thread on this > subject ( > http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/TLS-SNI-support-td25552.html ) and

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:47:53PM -0400, Ben Johnson wrote: > In essence, our clients wish to use their own SSL certificates for their > SMTP connections. Are these submission clients? What does the above mean? > Our clients will not accept the position, "You just have to ignore the > 'domain

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Wietse Venema
Ben Johnson: > Hello, > > We host mail services for a few dozen domains. We will eventually > require TLS for all client connections. > > I have reviewed what seems to be the most comprehensive thread on this > subject ( > http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.com/TLS-SNI-support-td25552.html ) and, >

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Ben Johnson wrote: > Hello, > > We host mail services for a few dozen domains. We will eventually > require TLS for all client connections. > > I have reviewed what seems to be the most comprehensive thread on this > subject ( > http://postfix.1071664.n5.nabble.co

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Ben Johnson
On 7/15/2013 1:03 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > In absence of SNI either the MX of all domains point to one MX with a valid > cert or you bring up an instance per domain. > Bringing-up a Postfix instance per domain would require unique ports (or a dedicated IP address) for each instance, cor

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Ben Johnson
(Viktor, I'm going to reply to Wietse first, just because his questions are fewer and I am hoping to clarify the points of confusion before others reply.) On 7/15/2013 1:24 PM, Wietse Venema wrote: > Ben Johnson: >> Hello, >> >> We host mail services for a few dozen domains. We will eventually >>

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Ben Johnson
On 7/15/2013 1:10 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:47:53PM -0400, Ben Johnson wrote: > >> In essence, our clients wish to use their own SSL certificates for their >> SMTP connections. > > Are these submission clients? What does the above mean? > Yes, these are submission

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Wietse Venema
Ben Johnson: > On 7/15/2013 1:10 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:47:53PM -0400, Ben Johnson wrote: > > > >> In essence, our clients wish to use their own SSL certificates for their > >> SMTP connections. > > > > Are these submission clients? What does the above mean? >

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On 16 Jul 2013 03:15, "Wietse Venema" wrote: > > Ben Johnson: > > On 7/15/2013 1:10 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:47:53PM -0400, Ben Johnson wrote: > > > > > >> In essence, our clients wish to use their own SSL certificates for their > > >> SMTP connections. > > > > >

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Ben Johnson
On 7/15/2013 3:14 PM, Wietse Venema wrote: > Ben Johnson: >> On 7/15/2013 1:10 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:47:53PM -0400, Ben Johnson wrote: >>> In essence, our clients wish to use their own SSL certificates for their SMTP connections. >>> >>> Are these sub

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Wietse Venema
Ben Johnson: > In the meantime, I am all ears, regarding jf's question about SNI > proxying via, for example, nginx. If that subject is best addressed to > the nginx mailing list, I am happy to take the discussion to the > appropriate list. According to a thread in March 2013 they did not support

Re: Mail server, what else?

2013-07-15 Thread Kris Deugau
Craig R. Skinner wrote: No Apache, PHP or webmail. HTTP was designed to transfer hyperlinked text files, not do dynmaic stuff with root access to the whole box. Beware! IMAP (Thunderbird, Elm, KMail) is the way to go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients#Operating_system

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 03:38:31PM -0400, Ben Johnson wrote: > > It's entirely reasonable if they want to be able to change email > > provider without having to update all their clients. > > This is the strongest argument that I've seen for adding SNI support to > Postfix. I hadn't even considere

Re: Mail server, what else?

2013-07-15 Thread Craig R. Skinner
On 2013-07-15 Mon 16:26 PM |, Kris Deugau wrote: > Craig R. Skinner wrote: > >No Apache, PHP or webmail. HTTP was designed to transfer hyperlinked > >text files, not do dynmaic stuff with root access to the whole box. > >Beware! > > > >IMAP (Thunderbird, Elm, KMail) is the way to go. > >https:/

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/15/2013 3:35 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: >>> Unfortunately there are not a lot of development cycles for adding >>> a decent SNI implementation to Postfix. > > I have no time for this. And this is precisely why an entire VPS industry has sprouted over the past few years. As someone stated d

Re: How best to eliminate "domain mismatch" warning in mail clients when TLS is used

2013-07-15 Thread Peter
On 07/16/2013 05:30 AM, Ben Johnson wrote: If your clients insist that a mail server is only professional if the TLS session has their domain name written on it, then give them what they want at the price it costs to implement it. Your position is perfectly reasonable, and is more or less the p