RE: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Michael Fox
> Yes, again from the quote from Wietse that you snipped out: > > > Dovecot tells Postfix the supported mechanism names and their > > security properties. O.K. Thanks. I read but did not understand the quote above. Your explanation was clearer and I understood it the first time. Thanks again,

Re: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Peter
On 13/07/16 16:30, Michael Fox wrote: > Ah. So you're saying that for each auth mechanism configured in the SASL > implementation (dovecot in my case), the SASL implementation is sending > Postfix a tuple which includes the mechanism name and which categories it > fits into, rather than Postfix ke

RE: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Michael Fox
> > > > I think the actual security features list is dependant on the SASL > > implementation, and which mechs satisfy each security feature is defined > > in cyrus and dovecot sasl. Ah. So you're saying that for each auth mechanism configured in the SASL implementation (dovecot in my case), the

Re: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Peter
On 13/07/16 15:56, Peter wrote: > On 13/07/16 15:38, Michael Fox wrote: >> Thanks. But again, the question is *NOT* about the terminology or the >> general meaning or definition of the categories. The question is >> specifically asking which authentication mechanisms Postfix places in those >> ca

Re: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Peter
On 13/07/16 15:38, Michael Fox wrote: > Thanks. But again, the question is *NOT* about the terminology or the > general meaning or definition of the categories. The question is > specifically asking which authentication mechanisms Postfix places in those > categories. I think the actual security

RE: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Michael Fox
> > This is standard terminology, and therefore not defined in either > Postfix or SASL RFC. > > Active network attack: an attacker modifies the communication between > parties. > > Mutual authentication: each party authenticates to the other party. Thanks. But again, the question is *NOT* abo

Re: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Wietse Venema
Wietse: > > You can find out about SASL active etc. attacks in RFC 4422 > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4422 > Michael Fox: > Thanks. Yes, that describes the attack categories. But it doesn't answer > the above question. Is the categorization documented somewhere? If not, > how are we to kn

RE: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-11 Thread Michael Fox
> In other words, how do I know which mechanisms will be > > disallowed with "noactive" or "nodictionary" or allowed by > "forward_secrecy" > > or "mutual_auth"? I'm unable to connect the dots. > > You can find out about SASL active etc. attacks in RFC 4422 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4422 >

Re: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-11 Thread Wietse Venema
Wietse: > Dovecot tells Postfix the supported mechanism names and their > security properties. Postfix intersects that with the main.cf > settings, and announces the mechanisms that remain. Michael Fox: > O.K. Thanks. > > Can be more specific about which SASL mechanisms are allowed or disallow

RE: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-11 Thread Michael Fox
> > Michael Fox: > > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_sasl_security_options says > "the > > following security features are defined for the cyrus server .". > Dovecot is > > not mentioned. So, is it correct to interpret this to mean that this > > postfix setting is a noop when dovecot

Re: smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-11 Thread Wietse Venema
Michael Fox: > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_sasl_security_options says "the > following security features are defined for the cyrus server .". Dovecot is > not mentioned. So, is it correct to interpret this to mean that this > postfix setting is a noop when dovecot is used for sas

smtpd_sasl_security_options clarification

2016-07-11 Thread Michael Fox
http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_sasl_security_options says "the following security features are defined for the cyrus server .". Dovecot is not mentioned. So, is it correct to interpret this to mean that this postfix setting is a noop when dovecot is used for sasl authentication?