Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-15 Thread Wietse Venema
Jan C.: > Did you just add this config option in Postfix 2.8 > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#tls_append_default_CA Yes. Wietse

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-15 Thread Jan C.
Did you just add this config option in Postfix 2.8 http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#tls_append_default_CA ?

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-10 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 07:41:51PM -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > Victor Duchovni: > > I guess our documentation has never promised the use of system CAs when > > CApath or CAfile are set, failing to override the system settings is > > counter-intuitive, so I can support this change. We'll also hav

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Wietse Venema
Victor Duchovni: > I guess our documentation has never promised the use of system CAs when > CApath or CAfile are set, failing to override the system settings is > counter-intuitive, so I can support this change. We'll also have to > document the semantics of "CAfile == CApath == ". Why do we have

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 01:34:53PM -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > > I guess our documentation has never promised the use of system CAs when > > CApath or CAfile are set, failing to override the system settings is > > counter-intuitive, so I can support this change. We'll also have to > > document t

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Wietse Venema
Victor Duchovni: > On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 11:25:50AM -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > > > > to sum it up, when smtp_tls_CApath is not empty, CAs from > > > /etc/ssl/certs are trusted regardless the value of smtp_tls_CApath. > > This is done primarily by OpenSSL, but as Wietse observes: > > > Victo

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 06:39:26PM +0200, Jan C. wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Victor Duchovni > wrote: > > Probably, although I don't think we've reached a final decision yet... > > My preference is to not trust some random list of CAs that came with the > > O/S OpenSSL package when t

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Jan C.
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Victor Duchovni wrote: > Probably, although I don't think we've reached a final decision yet... > My preference is to not trust some random list of CAs that came with the > O/S OpenSSL package when the user specifies an explicit CAfile/CApath, > but this would be an

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 06:30:59PM +0200, Jan C. wrote: > Hello, > ok then t least I know what's the origin of the behavior I had. > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Victor Duchovni > wrote: > > I guess our documentation has never promised the use of system CAs when > > CApath or CAfile are set

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Jan C.
Hello, ok then t least I know what's the origin of the behavior I had. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Victor Duchovni wrote: > I guess our documentation has never promised the use of system CAs when > CApath or CAfile are set, failing to override the system settings is > counter-intuitive, so I

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 11:25:50AM -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > > to sum it up, when smtp_tls_CApath is not empty, CAs from > > /etc/ssl/certs are trusted regardless the value of smtp_tls_CApath. This is done primarily by OpenSSL, but as Wietse observes: > Victor will have to confirm or deny th

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Wietse Venema
Jan C.: > Actually, this step is not needed to reproduce it : > > Now I set: > > ~ $ postconf -e smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs/ > > and reload postfix > > > > to sum it up, when smtp_tls_CApath is not empty, CAs from > /etc/ssl/certs are trusted regardless the value of smtp_tls_CApath. Victor wi

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Jan C.
Actually, this step is not needed to reproduce it : > Now I set: > ~ $ postconf -e smtp_tls_CApath=/etc/ssl/certs/ > and reload postfix > to sum it up, when smtp_tls_CApath is not empty, CAs from /etc/ssl/certs are trusted regardless the value of smtp_tls_CApath. regards, Jan

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Jan C.
Hi, > Um, no. By default Postfix is not going to use TLS at all. When > activated, by default, no certificate verification is done at all. > Consult your distributor's package documentation if they have set > different defaults. If I set smtp_tls_CApath to /etc/ssl/certs and then again to somethin

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread /dev/rob0
Please do not top-post your replies. Thank you. On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 10:22:16AM +0200, Jan C. wrote: > thanks for your answer but that does not answer by question. Is the > /etc/ssl/certs directory loaded also by default ? I did the test: Postfix postconf(5) defaults can be shown with the post

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-09 Thread Jan C.
Hi Viktor, thanks for your answer but that does not answer by question. Is the /etc/ssl/certs directory loaded also by default ? I did the test: smtp_tls_CApath = /foo/bar I added/hashed some certs in /foo/bar When postfix connects to a smtp server (tls verify), certificates issued by CAs from /et

Re: TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-08 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 09:31:46AM +0200, Jan C. wrote: > I have my postfix set up as a TLS client to other smtp servers. I > point smtp_tls_CApath to a directory where I store my own imported > trusted CAs. My question is whether or not Postfix will also load the > Root CAs stored in /etc/ssl/cer

TLS smtp_tls_CApath and /etc/ssl/certs

2010-06-08 Thread Jan C.
Hello, I have my postfix set up as a TLS client to other smtp servers. I point smtp_tls_CApath to a directory where I store my own imported trusted CAs. My question is whether or not Postfix will also load the Root CAs stored in /etc/ssl/certs. If not, does it mean that I have to set smtp_tls_CApat