Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 05.01.2015 um 20:23 schrieb DTNX Postmaster: On 05 Jan 2015, at 19:51, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: Gmail's outbound servers prefers RC4-SHA if offered by the SMTP server, when Gmail drops RC4 support, these domains will finally feel real pressure to either disable or fix their TLS stack. Gmai

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 05 Jan 2015, at 19:51, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: >>> Gmail's outbound servers prefers RC4-SHA if offered by the SMTP >>> server, when Gmail drops RC4 support, these domains will finally >>> feel real pressure to either disable or fix their TLS stack. >> >> Gmail prefers ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, and

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 05 Jan 2015, at 19:33, Per Thorsheim wrote: > Den 05.01.2015 18:59, skrev li...@rhsoft.net: >> >> Am 05.01.2015 um 18:47 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni: >>> On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:01:03PM +0100, DTNX Postmaster wrote: >>> > With RC4-SHA early enough for the 11-year old Microsoft Exchange >>

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 05.01.2015 um 19:43 schrieb DTNX Postmaster: On 05 Jan 2015, at 19:18, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:59:06PM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: No, this is a bad idea, it is in fact 3DES that is broken with such servers Shouldn't we start to disable RC4 as well as DES-CB

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 05 Jan 2015, at 19:18, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:59:06PM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > >>> No, this is a bad idea, it is in fact 3DES that is broken with such servers >> >> Shouldn't we start to disable RC4 as well as DES-CBC3-SHA for that horrible >> outdated cr

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread Per Thorsheim
Den 05.01.2015 18:59, skrev li...@rhsoft.net: > > Am 05.01.2015 um 18:47 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni: >> On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:01:03PM +0100, DTNX Postmaster wrote: >> With RC4-SHA early enough for the 11-year old Microsoft Exchange servers. >>> >>> Sadly, older Exchange servers (2003 a

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 05 Jan 2015, at 18:59, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > Am 05.01.2015 um 18:47 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni: >> On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:01:03PM +0100, DTNX Postmaster wrote: >> With RC4-SHA early enough for the 11-year old Microsoft Exchange servers. >>> >>> Sadly, older Exchange servers (20

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:59:06PM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote: > >No, this is a bad idea, it is in fact 3DES that is broken with such servers > > Shouldn't we start to disable RC4 as well as DES-CBC3-SHA for that horrible > outdated crap servers and fallback to unencrypted at all instead conti

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 05 Jan 2015, at 18:47, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:01:03PM +0100, DTNX Postmaster wrote: > >>> With RC4-SHA early enough for the 11-year old Microsoft Exchange >>> servers. >> >> Sadly, older Exchange servers (2003 at least) will favour 3DES over RC4 >> for TLS conne

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread li...@rhsoft.net
Am 05.01.2015 um 18:47 schrieb Viktor Dukhovni: On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:01:03PM +0100, DTNX Postmaster wrote: With RC4-SHA early enough for the 11-year old Microsoft Exchange servers. Sadly, older Exchange servers (2003 at least) will favour 3DES over RC4 for TLS connections, IIRC. This

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 06:01:03PM +0100, DTNX Postmaster wrote: > > With RC4-SHA early enough for the 11-year old Microsoft Exchange > > servers. > > Sadly, older Exchange servers (2003 at least) will favour 3DES over RC4 > for TLS connections, IIRC. This is not correct. > I don't have the fi

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread DTNX Postmaster
On 05 Jan 2015, at 15:52, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 03:10:49PM +0100, Matthias Schneider wrote: > >> I noticed that many Exchange Servers nowadays have problems with TLS. Is >> there a way to make a fallback to plain if there is a timeout on MAIL FROM? > > Postfix 2.12 (a

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 03:10:49PM +0100, Matthias Schneider wrote: > I noticed that many Exchange Servers nowadays have problems with TLS. Is > there a way to make a fallback to plain if there is a timeout on MAIL FROM? Postfix 2.12 (almost released, but for now 2.12-20141228 is the latest snaps

Re: TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 05.01.2015 um 15:10 schrieb Matthias Schneider: > Hello, > > I noticed that many Exchange Servers nowadays have problems with TLS. Is > there a way to make a fallback to plain if there is a timeout on MAIL > FROM? I currently use smtp_tls_security_level=may > > I found some 100's domains on di

TLS issues with old Exchange Servers

2015-01-05 Thread Matthias Schneider
Hello, I noticed that many Exchange Servers nowadays have problems with TLS. Is there a way to make a fallback to plain if there is a timeout on MAIL FROM? I currently use smtp_tls_security_level=may I found some 100's domains on different IPs which have this problems right now, here is a ex