Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
On 2015/9/14 星期一 12:14, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: That's clear now. You SHOULD enable STARTTLS on port 25, if you haven't already. Consider publishing DANE TLSA records, but only if you can do it right, nobody benefits from badly implemented TLSA records. Consider enabling DANE for outbound mai

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:32:57AM +0800, Ken Peng wrote: > You are exactly right, we are talking about securing inbound mail. So finally we have a clear problem statement. In that case, firstly inbound email is always port 25. Barring special-case manual routing agreed by both parties, email i

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
Viktor, On 2015/9/14 星期一 11:16, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:32:46AM +0800, Ken Peng wrote: All our MX servers can be setup with tls secure. So the servers in question are inbound MX hosts accepting mail from other domains on port 25? And you were asking a question abou

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:32:46AM +0800, Ken Peng wrote: > All our MX servers can be setup with tls secure. So the servers in question are inbound MX hosts accepting mail from other domains on port 25? And you were asking a question about securing inbound mail? If so, why were you asking port

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
On September 14, 2015 4:32:24 AM Ken Peng wrote: This is what I actually want to ask for, about the transfer secure. Thx. atleast you did not use spamhaus css like postfix.org does, so the reply you did was rejected on postfix maillist from me, sad anti spammers wins always https://dane.sy

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
Hi, Sorry for my poor expression, :) All our MX servers can be setup with tls secure. But as people have said in the list, we should accept the messages which are not encrypted otherwise it will break RFC. If the peer MTAs send messages to us, with non-encrypted content, these messages should n

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:05:13AM +0800, Ken Peng wrote: > My real question is this one I sent before, You're not listening. The right answer depends on the role your MTA plays and its relationship to the clients it serves. If you don't provide the proper context, nobody can give you a sensibl

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
Hi, My real question is this one I sent before, So, if we most time transfer messages between MTAs with non-encrypted, what destinations should these email systems exist for? http://www.emailquestions.com/encrypted-email-service-providers/ From production viewpoints, we can develop that a enc

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 09:56:27AM +0800, Ken Peng wrote: > On 2015/9/14 星期一 9:50, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > >What is the Postfix version of your server? What software do the > >clients use? > > We are actually using a customized version of Postfix, adding some features > to support distributed sy

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
We are actually using a customized version of Postfix, adding some features to support distributed systems. Yes I was talking about MTA to MTA communications, not MUA. We have hundreds of Postfix as MX cluster. The user number is huge, it's more than 500 millions IMO. On 2015/9/14 星期一 9:50, V

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 09:07:30AM +0800, Ken Peng wrote: > For security transfer, can I have the setup in Postfix to force peer MTA > using SMTP/SSL port (465) for email delivery only? Thx. You're not asking a sufficiently detailed question, and we're not psychic, so your question has no answer

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Benny Pedersen
On September 14, 2015 3:23:31 AM Alice Wonder wrote: For security transfer, can I have the setup in Postfix to force peer MTA using SMTP/SSL port (465) for email delivery only? Thx. Port 465 is deprecated. It should not be used. can you say what mua it is that in ? when i use ssl in thund

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
So, if we most time transfer messages between MTAs with non-encrypted, what destinations should these email systems exist for? http://www.emailquestions.com/encrypted-email-service-providers/ Thanks. On 2015/9/14 星期一 9:36, Alice Wonder wrote: But the RFC (I don't know number offhand) says you

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Alice Wonder
On 09/13/2015 06:34 PM, Ken Peng wrote: On 2015/9/14 星期一 9:23, Alice Wonder wrote: On 09/13/2015 06:07 PM, Ken Peng wrote: Hi, For security transfer, can I have the setup in Postfix to force peer MTA using SMTP/SSL port (465) for email delivery only? Thx. Port 465 is deprecated. It sho

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Ken Peng
On 2015/9/14 星期一 9:23, Alice Wonder wrote: On 09/13/2015 06:07 PM, Ken Peng wrote: Hi, For security transfer, can I have the setup in Postfix to force peer MTA using SMTP/SSL port (465) for email delivery only? Thx. Port 465 is deprecated. It should not be used. 25 is what your server sh

Re: force to use SSL port for delivery

2015-09-13 Thread Alice Wonder
On 09/13/2015 06:07 PM, Ken Peng wrote: Hi, For security transfer, can I have the setup in Postfix to force peer MTA using SMTP/SSL port (465) for email delivery only? Thx. Port 465 is deprecated. It should not be used. 25 is what your server should use to accept mail from other MTAs. If y