Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 16 Sep 2019, at 13:47, Paul van der Vlis wrote: How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? On 16 Sep 2019, at 9:17, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Paul, I wrote a module which I need to update on Perl's CPAN called Net::validMX that we use to reject IPv4 domains that aren'

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Chris Wedgwood
> How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? > > What do you think from such a check? i have tried this, it's not useful, so i didn't leave the check in place it's very common, perhaps even the norm that the IP address which delivers mail to me itself will not accept an inco

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread @lbutlr
On Sep 16, 2019, at 7:17 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > I guess only the big providers will have different servers for inbound and > outbound email, and you can make a list of them. No, lots and lots of servers will have these services separated. -- Today the road all runners come/Shoulder

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Stephen Satchell
+1 Back when I was a Web Hosting monkey, I had something like 23 separate mail servers (Plesk/qmail and CPanel/exim) trying to send mail to the world. After some of the servers getting blacklisted for one reason or another, I decided to use a pair of Postfix servers to send outgoing mail. Incomi

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2019-09-16 17:47: Benny, you and I correspond and I use the netValidMX.  Not sure what you are trying to say. Thanks to Bill showing validMX is not broken, all good with it, but http://mailtester.com is not good, i like to be neutral with https://www.mail-tester.c

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
Bill Cole skrev den 2019-09-16 17:47: On 16 Sep 2019, at 11:00, Benny Pedersen wrote: Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2019-09-16 16:19: Fair enough. Maybe he should turn that feature on then :-) if you do you cant recieve email from me validMX is strict to say domains without MX is invalid doma

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 9/16/2019 11:00 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2019-09-16 16:19: >> Fair enough.  Maybe he should turn that feature on then :-) > > if you do you cant recieve email from me > > validMX is strict to say domains without MX is invalid domain ? > > oh and MX failback is not a

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 16 Sep 2019, at 11:00, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2019-09-16 16:19: >> Fair enough. Maybe he should turn that feature on then :-) > > if you do you cant recieve email from me > > validMX is strict to say domains without MX is invalid domain ? No, it does not do that.

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2019-09-16 16:19: Fair enough. Maybe he should turn that feature on then :-) if you do you cant recieve email from me validMX is strict to say domains without MX is invalid domain ? oh and MX failback is not a rfc ? be carefull testing with "sendmail -bv u...@exam

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Fair enough.  Maybe he should turn that feature on then :-) On 9/16/2019 9:59 AM, Bill Cole wrote: > > I don't believe that Net::validMX does anything more *at the domain > level* than Postfix's built-in reject_unknown_sender_domain > restriction. Its check_email_validity() may be a bit more stric

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 16 Sep 2019, at 9:17, Paul van der Vlis wrote: I guess only the big providers will have different servers for inbound and outbound email, and you can make a list of them. Bad guess. Many business email systems are architected this way for security purposes (e.g. Exchange is fine for sendi

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 16 Sep 2019, at 9:17, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 9/16/2019 9:03 AM, Jim Reid wrote: On 16 Sep 2019, at 13:47, Paul van der Vlis wrote: How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? Paul, I wrote a module which I need to update on Perl's CPAN called Net::validMX that we

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Wietse Venema
Paul van der Vlis: > The outbound server has a closed port 25? More likely, blocked by firewall. Wietse

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 16-09-19 om 15:25 schreef Scott Kitterman: > On Monday, September 16, 2019 9:17:00 AM EDT Paul van der Vlis wrote: >> I know a provider what is actually using this. I guess only the big >> providers will have different servers for inbound and outbound email, >> and you can make a list of them. >

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, September 16, 2019 9:17:00 AM EDT Paul van der Vlis wrote: > I know a provider what is actually using this. I guess only the big > providers will have different servers for inbound and outbound email, > and you can make a list of them. This is not true. My domain is about as tiny as th

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Jim Reid
> On 16 Sep 2019, at 14:17, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> A significant number of installations will use different servers for >> inbound and outbound email. > > I know a provider what is actually using this. I guess only the big > providers will have different servers for inbound and outboun

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 16-09-19 om 14:53 schreef John Peach: > On 9/16/19 8:47 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: >> Hello, >> >> How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? >> >> What do you think from such a check? > > > DO NOT DO THIS! > > A significant number of installations will use differen

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 9/16/2019 9:03 AM, Jim Reid wrote: > On 16 Sep 2019, at 13:47, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > > How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? Paul, I wrote a module which I need to update on Perl's CPAN called Net::validMX that we use to reject IPv4 domains that aren't properly s

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Jim Reid
> On 16 Sep 2019, at 13:47, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > > How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? > > What do you think from such a check? It’s a stunningly bad idea. Don’t do it. Many enterprises and cloud-based mail providers have discrete servers/systems handling

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread Wesley Peng
Hi on 2019/9/16 20:47, Paul van der Vlis wrote: How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? What do you think from such a check? You shouldn't. Many email systems have delivery agent and MTA to be separated. That's to say, they get incoming mails from MTA which has port

Re: Refuse mail from hosts with closed port 25

2019-09-16 Thread John Peach
On 9/16/19 8:47 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Hello, How can I refuse mail from hosts who don't have an open port 25? What do you think from such a check? DO NOT DO THIS! A significant number of installations will use different servers for inbound and outbound email. What is worth checking,