Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 15.02.2013 00:29, schrieb Rod Whitworth: > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:58:34 +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > >> This has nothing to do with spam. One can just as easily send spam >> as as one can as <>. The ISP can equally easily >> track it down, since the Received: headers will contain the offend

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:58:34 +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: >This has nothing to do with spam. One can just as easily send spam >as as one can as <>. The ISP can equally easily >track it down, since the Received: headers will contain the offending >IP address. > I don't know if you are seeing the

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread mouss
Le 14/02/2013 16:03, James Day a écrit : > Hello List, > > I'll have to start by breaking to golden rule of this list and not posting > postconf -n output as my question relates to a server over which I have no > control. > > A customer of mine is using a smart host provided by their ISP through

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 04:14:06PM +, James Day wrote: > > Not in this case, sending NDRs with a non-null envelope sender address is a > > fundamental violation of the robustness requirements of SMTP. This goes > > beyond working-around misconfiguration to flagrant violation of a basic > > des

RE: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread James Day
--snip-- > Not in this case, sending NDRs with a non-null envelope sender address is a > fundamental violation of the robustness requirements of SMTP. This goes > beyond working-around misconfiguration to flagrant violation of a basic > design requirement that prevents congestive collapse of the ma

RE: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread James Day
> -Original Message- > From: owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org [mailto:owner-postfix- > us...@postfix.org] On Behalf Of Reindl Harald > Sent: 14 February 2013 15:43 > To: postfix-users@postfix.org > Subject: Re: Null sender address in NDR's > > > > Am

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 03:36:11PM +, James Day wrote: > > > Is there a sensible way to configure postfix to allow these messages > > > with null sender addresses to be relayed without opening the smart > > > host up to exploitation? > > > > Sending bounces is not "exploitation", but the "sma

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 14.02.2013 16:36, schrieb James Day: > . >>> Is there a sensible way to configure postfix to allow these messages >>> with null sender addresses to be relayed without opening the smart >>> host up to exploitation? >> >> Sending bounces is not "exploitation", but the "smart host" (really >> submi

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.02.2013 16:36, schrieb James Day: >> Not "should", MUST. Not "isn't best practice", rather prohibited. > I understand and agree however in my experience you sometimes have > to fudge things so they operate with incorrectly configured systems > (against my own wishes!) no you have not i

RE: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread James Day
. > > Is there a sensible way to configure postfix to allow these messages > > with null sender addresses to be relayed without opening the smart > > host up to exploitation? > > Sending bounces is not "exploitation", but the "smart host" (really > submission service) policy is up to the ISP. Ask

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 14.02.2013 16:03, schrieb James Day: > Hello List, > > I'll have to start by breaking to golden rule of this list and not posting > postconf -n output as my question relates to a server over which I have no > control. > > A customer of mine is using a smart host provided by their ISP through

Re: Null sender address in NDR's

2013-02-14 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 03:03:23PM +, James Day wrote: > A customer of mine is using a smart host provided by their ISP > through which all outbound mail is delivered smtp.enta.net (which > is running postfix). This ISP's outbound relay is a submission service that is *only* suitable for rela