Re: bcc: header

2011-03-25 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 25.03.2011 00:15, schrieb Murray S. Kucherawy: MTA history goes back to sendmail, which had three main modes for injecting a message: 1) sendmail user@host [message header and body here] ["." or EOF] 2) sendmail -t [message header and body here] ["." or EOF] Both commands

RE: bcc: header

2011-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org > [mailto:owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org] On Behalf Of Jeroen van Aart > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:21 PM > To: Postfix users > Subject: Re: bcc: header > > > The post service doesn't

RE: bcc: header

2011-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
> -Original Message- > From: owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org > [mailto:owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org] On Behalf Of Reindl Harald > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:00 PM > To: postfix-users@postfix.org > Subject: Re: bcc: header > > Am 23.03.2011 20:55, schrie

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Wietse Venema
Jeroen van Aart: > Michael J Wise wrote: > >> I wasn't aware that I could use multiple RCPT TO:<> commands to > >> accomplish Bcc. Hence me adding Bcc after the DATA. > > > > It's the other way around, actually. > > Multiple RCPT TO:'s is how Bcc: is done. > > Right, good to know. :-) > > As a s

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Sahil Tandon
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 18:44:15 -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > As a side note, what's the maximum amount of RCPT TO:'s postfix will > accept in one session? Or is this just limited by the amount of > available RAM and/or some kind of session timeout? Or maybe it's > limited by how long the counter

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Michael J Wise wrote: I wasn't aware that I could use multiple RCPT TO:<> commands to accomplish Bcc. Hence me adding Bcc after the DATA. It's the other way around, actually. Multiple RCPT TO:'s is how Bcc: is done. Right, good to know. :-) As a side note, what's the maximum amount of RCPT T

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Ansgar Wiechers
On 2011-03-23 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 23.03.2011 20:55, schrieb Jeroen van Aart: >> I tried the following in telnet session, but for some reason the >> email is only sent to the rcpt to: address. None of the Bcc'ed >> addresses receive a copy. Am I missing something obvious? Yes. Mail servers de

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Michael J Wise
> I wasn't aware that I could use multiple RCPT TO:<> commands to > accomplish Bcc. Hence me adding Bcc after the DATA. It's the other way around, actually. Multiple RCPT TO:'s is how Bcc: is done. One has to have a clear understanding of the difference between RFC 822 (the message), and RFC 821

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Matthias Andree wrote: You may be aware of it, but I don't believe you've got the full picture yet. Well I'm getting it now, thank you. The post service doesn't care what Cc: you write on your letters either, but only looks at the envelope. Yes, I assumed an MTA may do some extra processing

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Matthias Andree wrote: I don't believe that it does that. It's likely some component further down the delivery path - check the logs. More a case of PEBCAK, I was looking at the wrong test email in this case. Greetings, Jeroen -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ http://linuxmafia

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 23.03.2011 21:35, schrieb Jeroen van Aart: > Matthias Andree wrote: >> Yes - you seem to be misunderstanding how SMTP works. See RFC5321 [1] >> for an explanation; for delivery, it matters ONLY what's in the > > I don't misunderstand in as much that I just barely ever had the need to > use bcc.

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Reindl Harald wrote: BCC is a header so why you put it in the mail-body? Because: "Email header lines are not SMTP commands per se. They are sent in the DATA stream for a message. Header lines appear on a line by themselves, and are separated from the body of a message by a blank line." h

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 23.03.2011 21:38, schrieb Jeroen van Aart: > How come that postfix treats multiple "rcpt to:" commands differently > depending on the presence of a "bcc:" header in the data section? I don't believe that it does that. It's likely some component further down the delivery path - check the logs

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Wietse Venema
Jeroen van Aart: > Victor Duchovni wrote: > > Bcc headers are part of the MUAs user interface, they have no meaning > > in SMTP, Postfix silently deletes Bcc headers, they are not supposed to > > be transmitted from the MUA to the MTA. > > How come that postfix treats multiple "rcpt to:" commands

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Victor Duchovni wrote: Bcc headers are part of the MUAs user interface, they have no meaning in SMTP, Postfix silently deletes Bcc headers, they are not supposed to be transmitted from the MUA to the MTA. How come that postfix treats multiple "rcpt to:" commands differently depending on the pr

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Matthias Andree wrote: Yes - you seem to be misunderstanding how SMTP works. See RFC5321 [1] for an explanation; for delivery, it matters ONLY what's in the I don't misunderstand in as much that I just barely ever had the need to use bcc. RCPT TO: commands, not what's in the DATA section.

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:55:09PM -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > I tried the following in telnet session, but for some reason the email is > only sent to the rcpt to: address. None of the Bcc'ed addresses receive a > copy. Am I missing something obvious? Bcc headers are part of the MUAs user

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 23.03.2011 20:55, schrieb Jeroen van Aart: > I tried the following in telnet session, but for some reason the email > is only sent to the rcpt to: address. None of the Bcc'ed addresses > receive a copy. Am I missing something obvious? Yes - you seem to be misunderstanding how SMTP works. See RF

Re: bcc: header

2011-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2011 20:55, schrieb Jeroen van Aart: > I tried the following in telnet session, but for some reason the email is > only sent to the rcpt to: address. None > of the Bcc'ed addresses receive a copy. Am I missing something obvious? > rcpt to: n...@example.com > 250 2.1.5 Ok > data > 354 End