Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-13 8:05 AM, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: > While Postfix works well with NFS, Dovecot has some serious issues with > it (according to their wiki and mailing list). Only under specific circumstances... and it is an NFS issue, not dovecot... -- Best regards, Charles

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Jonathan Tripathy put forth on 1/14/2011 12:22 PM: > > On 14/01/11 18:13, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Jonathan Tripathy put forth on 1/13/2011 7:05 AM: >> >>> What does everyone think of a DRBD + GFS2 idea? >> I wrote up a detailed response to the same question on the Dovecot list >> yesterday, in fac

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-14 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 14/01/11 18:13, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Jonathan Tripathy put forth on 1/13/2011 7:05 AM: What does everyone think of a DRBD + GFS2 idea? I wrote up a detailed response to the same question on the Dovecot list yesterday, in fact, in response to you. You did indeed, thanks Why are you runnin

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Jonathan Tripathy put forth on 1/13/2011 7:05 AM: > What does everyone think of a DRBD + GFS2 idea? I wrote up a detailed response to the same question on the Dovecot list yesterday, in fact, in response to you. Why are you running the same thread on both mailing lists? -- Stan

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 13/01/11 09:58, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Jonathan Tripathy put forth on 1/12/2011 8:58 AM: Major point is that GlusterFS is NOT another file system. GlusterFS uses a disk based backend and relies heavily on the underlying filesystem extended attributes for handling which file is more recent on

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Jonathan Tripathy put forth on 1/12/2011 8:58 AM: >> Major point is that GlusterFS is NOT another file system. GlusterFS uses a >> disk based backend and relies heavily on the underlying filesystem extended >> attributes for handling which file is more recent on one brick over another >> when perf

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Oh and one final question, how does GlusterFS handle split-brain? Let's say somehow the replication link became broken, but both Postfix servers continued to operate... This is documentation from 2.x series of GlusterFS but it still applies to 3.x: http://www.gluster.com/community/documentati

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:25:04 + > Von: Jonathan Tripathy > An: postfix-users@postfix.org > Betreff: Re: Network Ideas > > > Hello Jonathan, > > > >> I think what I am getting confused over is whether or not you

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Hello Jonathan, I think what I am getting confused over is whether or not your GlusterFS node are the same are your Postfix servers. yes. They are. I did a little reading online, and from my understanding, you have 2 GlusterFS server and 2 GlusterFS clients. Correct. Does this mean

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:05:54 + > Von: Jonathan Tripathy > An: postfix-users@postfix.org > Betreff: Re: Network Ideas > > On 12/01/11 14:00, Steve wrote: > > Original-Nachricht > >> Datum: Wed, 12

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:56:37 + > Von: Jonathan Tripathy > An: postfix-users@postfix.org > Betreff: Re: Network Ideas > > On 12/01/11 13:42, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: > > > > On 12/01/11 13:36, Steve wrote: &g

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 14:00, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:42:14 + Von: Jonathan Tripathy An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Network Ideas On 12/01/11 13:36, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:47:00

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:42:14 + > Von: Jonathan Tripathy > An: postfix-users@postfix.org > Betreff: Re: Network Ideas > > On 12/01/11 13:36, Steve wrote: > > Original-Nachricht > >> Datum: Wed, 12

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 13:42, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: On 12/01/11 13:36, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:47:00 +0100 Von: John Adams An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Network Ideas Am 12.01.2011 12:03, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On 12/01/11 10:45

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread John Adams
Am 12.01.2011 14:36, schrieb Steve: Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:47:00 +0100 Von: John Adams An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Network Ideas Am 12.01.2011 12:03, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On 12/01/11 10:45, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 13:36, Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:47:00 +0100 Von: John Adams An: postfix-users@postfix.org Betreff: Re: Network Ideas Am 12.01.2011 12:03, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On 12/01/11 10:45, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:47:00 +0100 > Von: John Adams > An: postfix-users@postfix.org > Betreff: Re: Network Ideas > Am 12.01.2011 12:03, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: > > > > On 12/01/11 10:45, John Doe wrote: &

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 12:47, John Adams wrote: Am 12.01.2011 12:03, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On 12/01/11 10:45, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy > While your idea would work in HA mode, would that cause any problems if both postfix servers were used at the same time? (i.e. load balanced) In

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread John Adams
Am 12.01.2011 12:03, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On 12/01/11 10:45, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy > While your idea would work in HA mode, would that cause any problems if both postfix servers were used at the same time? (i.e. load balanced) In fact I may be able to answer my own que

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 10:45, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy > While your idea would work in HA mode, would that cause any problems if both postfix servers were used at the same time? (i.e. load balanced) In fact I may be able to answer my own question by saying yes, it would cause a prob

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread John Doe
From: Jonathan Tripathy > While your idea would work in HA mode, would that cause any problems if > both postfix servers were used at the same time? (i.e. load balanced) > In fact I may be able to answer my own question by saying yes, it would > cause >a problem as you're not supposed to

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 10:18, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: On 12/01/11 10:15, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy I will have 2 Postfix/Dovecot servers. Each will be configured to use a central database and will also use an NFS mount for mail storage. Since they will both be configured with central

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 10:18, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: On 12/01/11 10:15, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy I will have 2 Postfix/Dovecot servers. Each will be configured to use a central database and will also use an NFS mount for mail storage. Since they will both be configured with central

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 10:15, John Doe wrote: From: Jonathan Tripathy I will have 2 Postfix/Dovecot servers. Each will be configured to use a central database and will also use an NFS mount for mail storage. Since they will both be configured with central storage, I can use my load-balancer to distrib

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread John Doe
From: Jonathan Tripathy > I will have 2 Postfix/Dovecot servers. Each will be configured to use a > central database and will also use an NFS mount for mail storage. Since > they will both be configured with central storage, I can use my > load-balancer to distribute load between both of th

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 12/01/11 02:11, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: On 2011-01-11 at 19:46:48 +, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: I will give authenticated clients direct access to the IMAP and SMTP ports on my load-balancer (No proxies). I will however only accept incoming mail from the internet via separate mx server wh

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
On 2011-01-11 at 19:46:48 +, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: > I will give authenticated clients direct access to the IMAP and SMTP > ports on my load-balancer (No proxies). I will however only accept > incoming mail from the internet via separate mx server which will > relay mail (after doing spam ch

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jeroen Geilman
On 1/11/11 11:33 AM, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: Isn't it generally insecure to give direct access to each repective customer instance from outside directly? Also, how do ISPs deal with this? Each customer doesn't have their own IP... ISPs "deal with this" by allowing their customers to send ma

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.01.2011 18:05, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: > But then I will need central storage, which I don't currently have. > Can you please explain how I could achieve this? For VMware-HA, yes this is true But if you do not have a SAN setup for every client a vm makes nothing better, iy you have en

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 11/01/11 16:55, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.01.2011 17:25, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? Where is the problem? You can run hundrets of mail-domains in ONE virtual machine What if the postfix box were to go down? The you hopefully have 2

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 11/01/11 16:55, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.01.2011 17:25, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? Where is the problem? You can run hundrets of mail-domains in ONE virtual machine What if the postfix box were to go down? The you hopefully have 2

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.01.2011 17:25, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: > So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? Where is the problem? You can run hundrets of mail-domains in ONE virtual machine > What if the postfix box were to go down? The you hopefully have 2 VM-Hosts with HA so it does not matte

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Randy Ramsdell
Jonathan Tripathy wrote: On 11/01/11 16:34, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: On 2011-01-11 at 16:25:38 +, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? What if the postfix box were to go down? What if the Dovecot box were to go down? In my solution, if a box (or VM

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 11/01/11 16:34, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: On 2011-01-11 at 16:25:38 +, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? What if the postfix box were to go down? What if the Dovecot box were to go down? In my solution, if a box (or VM in my case) were to go dow

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
On 2011-01-11 at 16:25:38 +, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: > So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? What if the > postfix box were to go down? What if the Dovecot box were to go > down? In my solution, if a box (or VM in my case) were to go down, > at least something parts of the syste

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
If you really need to spread the load, setup two servers with Postfix and Dovecot. It would significantly reduce the complexity, and eliminate your issues with multiple IPs. It would also reduce the bottleneck with the proxy servers. So have my entire email system run on 2 boxes alone? What i

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn
On 2011-01-11 at 15:55:53 +, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: > I hoping that my above solution will spread the load Define 'spread the load'. You're taking a perfectly good server (or more), chopping it up into many pieces so you can run many instances of Postfix and Dovecot. If you really need to s

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
If you secure your daemons properly, it is not insecure to give customers direct access to the server. Even if they don't have direct access to the servers IP, they are still able to talk to the server using inherently insecure protocols like SMTP, IMAP, POP3, etc... If you are running an ISP e

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread John Adams
Am 11.01.2011 14:10, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Am 11.01.2011 13:56, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Am 11.01.2011 13:47, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: if you believe you have received this email in error. Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripat

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Am 11.01.2011 13:56, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Am 11.01.2011 13:47, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: if you believe you have received this email in error. Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would b

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread John Adams
Am 11.01.2011 13:56, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Am 11.01.2011 13:47, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: if you believe you have received this email in error. Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would b

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Am 11.01.2011 13:47, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: if you believe you have received this email in error. Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would be to have the "front end smtp-out" server do the

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On tir 11 jan 2011 13:27:44 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote Other way round, which is a postfix issue :) okay a railrouad have 2 ends ? :) I'm trying to use a single postfix server for many dovecot auth servers multiple auth servers is imho silly, one dont backup that way, if you like to do i

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread John Adams
Am 11.01.2011 13:47, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: if you believe you have received this email in error. Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would be to have the "front end smtp-out" server do the

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tir 11 jan 2011 13:27:44 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote Other way round, which is a postfix issue :) okay a railrouad have 2 ends ? :) I'm trying to use a single postfix server for many dovecot auth servers multiple auth servers is imho silly, one dont backup that way, if you like to do

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
if you believe you have received this email in error. Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would be to have the "front end smtp-out" server do the sending itself and ask a customer's respective do

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread John Adams
Am 11.01.2011 13:27, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would be to have the "front end smtp-out" server do the sending itself and ask a customer's respective dovecot server for authentication. How can I do this whe

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would be to have the "front end smtp-out" server do the sending itself and ask a customer's respective dovecot server for authentication. How can I do this where on a domain-by-domain basis? (i.e. each doma

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tir 11 jan 2011 11:52:12 CET, Jonathan Tripathy wrote I guess another way to do this would be to have the "front end smtp-out" server do the sending itself and ask a customer's respective dovecot server for authentication. How can I do this where on a domain-by-domain basis? (i.e. each d

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Am 11.01.2011 11:30, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Am 10.01.2011 23:21, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Hi Everyone, Not really an issue directly related to postfix, however I'm sure I can get some goods ideas here. I wish to host managed email servers for some customers. Each customer will have the

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread John Adams
Am 11.01.2011 11:30, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Am 10.01.2011 23:21, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Hi Everyone, Not really an issue directly related to postfix, however I'm sure I can get some goods ideas here. I wish to host managed email servers for some customers. Each customer will have their

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
On 1/10/11 5:21 PM, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: Hi Everyone, Not really an issue directly related to postfix, however I'm sure I can get some goods ideas here. I wish to host managed email servers for some customers. Each customer will have their own email server which will be an all-in-one virtu

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Am 10.01.2011 23:21, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Hi Everyone, Not really an issue directly related to postfix, however I'm sure I can get some goods ideas here. I wish to host managed email servers for some customers. Each customer will have their own email server which will be an all-in-one vir

Re: Network Ideas

2011-01-11 Thread John Adams
Am 10.01.2011 23:21, schrieb Jonathan Tripathy: Hi Everyone, Not really an issue directly related to postfix, however I'm sure I can get some goods ideas here. I wish to host managed email servers for some customers. Each customer will have their own email server which will be an all-in-one vir

Network Ideas

2011-01-10 Thread Jonathan Tripathy
Hi Everyone, Not really an issue directly related to postfix, however I'm sure I can get some goods ideas here. I wish to host managed email servers for some customers. Each customer will have their own email server which will be an all-in-one virtual machine running postfix, dovecot and som