Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-18 Thread Chris Green
On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 11:30:08PM +1300, Peter wrote: > On 18/02/17 22:56, Chris Green wrote: > > The older (2.9.6) and newer (3.1.0) postfix versions that I'm using > > are connecting to the same smarthost. I don't seem to be able to > > connect from the 3.1.0 version to the submission service o

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-18 Thread Peter
On 18/02/17 22:56, Chris Green wrote: > The older (2.9.6) and newer (3.1.0) postfix versions that I'm using > are connecting to the same smarthost. I don't seem to be able to > connect from the 3.1.0 version to the submission service on 587 for > some reason. At a WAG you have smtp_tls_wrappermod

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-18 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 06:11:44PM -0500, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Chris Green wrote: > > > > OK, so the older version is using SMTP STARTTLS which runs on port 587 > > This is how TLS has worked in MTA-to-MTA SMTP for the last > 15 years. > > https://too

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Chris Green wrote: > > OK, so the older version is using SMTP STARTTLS which runs on port 587 This is how TLS has worked in MTA-to-MTA SMTP for the last > 15 years. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3207 > and the newer (>=3) version is using TLS directly o

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 05:24:54PM -0500, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Chris Green wrote: > > > > Ah, I've maybe just spotted the reason, smtp_tls_wrappermode is new in > > postfix 3, is that what makes the difference? > > Yes. > > > I'd still like a simple explan

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Chris Green wrote: > > Ah, I've maybe just spotted the reason, smtp_tls_wrappermode is new in > postfix 3, is that what makes the difference? Yes. > I'd still like a simple explanation though! :-) That's the simple explanation. SMTP directly over TLS requires

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread @lbutlr
On 2017-02-17 (12:38 MST), "Fazzina, Angelo" wrote: > > I thought the master.cf file is where you config what protocol to listen for ? He is SENDING outbound mail to his upstream, not listening for incoming mail. As for the original post, 587 is the right port to use anyway, so ignore your ISP

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Chris Green
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 07:35:42PM +, Chris Green wrote: > [snip long message] > > Sorry about the duplicate, you can see I really am having trouble with > my E-Mail! :-) > ... and I'm talking rubbish anyway, I've got two subscriptions! Aarrgghh!! -- Chris Green

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Dominic Raferd
2017 10:43 AM > To: postfix-users@postfix.org > Subject: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions > 2.9 and 3.1 > > I am running postfix 3.1.0 on an xubuntu 16.04 system and postfix 2.9.6 > on a Raspberry Pi running Debian. > > They seem to act very differen

RE: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Fazzina, Angelo
-9075 -Original Message- From: owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org [mailto:owner-postfix-us...@postfix.org] On Behalf Of Chris Green Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:43 AM To: postfix-users@postfix.org Subject: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1 I am ru

Re: Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Chris Green
[snip long message] Sorry about the duplicate, you can see I really am having trouble with my E-Mail! :-) -- Chris Green

Different treatment of ports 465 and 587 between postfix versions 2.9 and 3.1

2017-02-17 Thread Chris Green
I am running postfix 3.1.0 on an xubuntu 16.04 system and postfix 2.9.6 on a Raspberry Pi running Debian. They seem to act very differently as regards the use of ports 465 and 587 and I'd like things clarified so I can understand better. I use both postfix installations to send outgoing E-Mail (i