TERMINATED: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-30 Thread Wietse Venema
Steve: > Let me see. what I am asking for *IS* a safety catch. I'm asking for the > MTA *NOT* to generate Postscatter if an error is made. I'm sure any arms > dealer would be happy to fit a weapon with a safety catch to stop me > killing someone if I happen to be adjusting the gun and not trying to

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 16:14 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > > Genius coders often don't see why something matters to an end user. > > They get stuck in arguing the semantics. > > It is impossible to communicate effectively without usi

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Sahil Tandon
On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:51 PM, "EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk" > wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 15:23 -0400, Sahil Tandon wrote: Please don't feed the trolls. :) Oh yawn. Is that the best you can do? Can you not contribute something useful? I don't think you are really worth the effort

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > Genius coders often don't see why something matters to an end user. > They get stuck in arguing the semantics. It is impossible to communicate effectively without using well defined terms... Maybe you should look up the meaning of '

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 21:36 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > 2821 Indeed. I'm glad you pointed that out; 4.2.5 Reply Codes After DATA and the Subsequent . When an SMTP server returns a positive completion status (2yz code) after the DATA command is completed with ., it accepts responsibility

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 15:13 -0400, Terry Carmen wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:24 -0400, Terry Carmen wrote: > > > > Whilst Wietse's Postfix mostly rocks you need to drop that 'God' like > > arse licking Terry. It makes you look a tit dude. If something sucks it > > sucks. No matter who wrote

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Erwan David
Le Mon 29/06/2009, EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk disait > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:56 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > > On 6/29/2009 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: > > >>> You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to > > >>> switch of bounce/ndr messages. > > > > >> Yes,

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:56 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 6/29/2009 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: > >>> You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to > >>> switch of bounce/ndr messages. > > >> Yes, it would, since it breaks smtp... > > > So does the notion of 'Before Queue

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Sahil Tandon
Please don't feed the trolls. :)

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Terry Carmen
> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:24 -0400, Terry Carmen wrote: > > Whilst Wietse's Postfix mostly rocks you need to drop that 'God' like > arse licking Terry. It makes you look a tit dude. If something sucks it > sucks. No matter who wrote it, who's project it is, or the cost of it. I appreciate Wietse'

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 6/29/2009, EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk wrote: > And this come to think of it: strict_rfc821_envelopes > We can disable. ? It is disabled by default. If you mean you can enable this, you should be aware it *will* block legitimate mail. That said, it has nothing to do with your desir

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 6/29/2009 2:41 PM, Steve wrote: >>> You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to >>> switch of bounce/ndr messages. >> Yes, it would, since it breaks smtp... > So does the notion of 'Before Queue Filtering'. I think it goes > something like 'You must decide to accept

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:41 +0100, Steve wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:29 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > > On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > > > You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to > > > switch of bounce/ndr messages. > > > > Y

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:29 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > > You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to > > switch of bounce/ndr messages. > > Yes, it would, since it breaks smtp... So does the notion of

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 14:24 -0400, Terry Carmen wrote: > >> > >> Steve, you know the answer to this question: I will repeat it once > >> more time. Don't reject mail after accepting it. > >> > >>Wietse > > Wietse, > > > > You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to > switch of bounce/ndr messages. Yes, it would, since it breaks smtp... Otherwise, the CEO of your new biggest prospect will never know that his 'I'll take it!'

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Terry Carmen
>> >> Steve, you know the answer to this question: I will repeat it once >> more time. Don't reject mail after accepting it. >> >> Wietse > Wietse, > > You are, of course, correct. It would be totally retarded to be able to > switch of bounce/ndr messages. Mail admins are totally perfect an

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:52 -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk: > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 11:32 -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > > > EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk: > > > > Appreciate that - but to do this defeats the object of rejecting mail at > > > > SMTP t

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Wietse Venema
EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk: > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 11:32 -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > > EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk: > > > Appreciate that - but to do this defeats the object of rejecting mail at > > > SMTP time (to avoid the bounce in the first place). What appears to > >

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 11:32 -0400, Wietse Venema wrote: > EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk: > > Appreciate that - but to do this defeats the object of rejecting mail at > > SMTP time (to avoid the bounce in the first place). What appears to > > happening is the spambot sending the mail does n

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Wietse Venema
EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk: > Appreciate that - but to do this defeats the object of rejecting mail at > SMTP time (to avoid the bounce in the first place). What appears to > happening is the spambot sending the mail does not hang around for the > 250 OK at the end of the .. If it did,

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread EASY steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 08:20 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > > I've read a few archive posts regarding the generation of bounce/ndr > > messages and I can understand some of the cutting remarks such as 'don't > > accept mail for invalid

Re: Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 6/29/2009, Steve (steve.h...@digitalcertainty.co.uk) wrote: > I've read a few archive posts regarding the generation of bounce/ndr > messages and I can understand some of the cutting remarks such as 'don't > accept mail for invalid users in the first place'. Yep - but accepting for invalid user

Bounce / NDR messages - how to stop them

2009-06-29 Thread Steve
Hi, I've read a few archive posts regarding the generation of bounce/ndr messages and I can understand some of the cutting remarks such as 'don't accept mail for invalid users in the first place'. That aside, is it actually possible to stop the SENDING (or the generation) of NDR/Bounce messages.