Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-29 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
mouss escribió: the OpenBSD guys take this a bit too "aggressively". on the other hand, this approach has resulted in good software (the so-called OpenBSD pf is a good example, although the story was "special"). Well, I would say 'coherently instead of 'aggressively' +info: http://www.openbsd

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2009-05-28 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 07:00:43PM -0700, Roger Marquis wrote: > mouss wrote: >> but if you distribute a system that will be used by commercial vendors, >> things get different. and they are complex because it's not about your >> interpretation of the license, but about possible interpretations by

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Roger Marquis
mouss wrote: but if you distribute a system that will be used by commercial vendors, things get different. and they are complex because it's not about your interpretation of the license, but about possible interpretations by the vendors/resellers/customers. Which is, interestingly enough, a goo

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread brian moore
On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:12:28 -0600 LuKreme wrote: > On 28 May 2009, at 03:56, Ralf Hildebrandt > wrote: > > > Turns out Wietse was wrong: > > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ > > Would it be approriate to ask what the issues are with postfix's > license? I hate to adm

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread mouss
LuKreme a écrit : > On 28 May 2009, at 03:56, Ralf Hildebrandt > wrote: > >> Turns out Wietse was wrong: >> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ > > Would it be approriate to ask what the issues are with postfix's > license? I hate to admit it, but I've never read it. > > li

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Wietse Venema
Victor Duchovni: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:41:30AM -0300, Marcio Merlone wrote: > > > Wietse Venema escreveu: > >> (...) > >> Apart from that, if they come up with a decent MTA then I welcome > >> some competition. More motivation for me to look into postfix-lite. > >> > > That would be grea

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread LuKreme
On 28 May 2009, at 03:56, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Turns out Wietse was wrong: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ Would it be approriate to ask what the issues are with postfix's license? I hate to admit it, but I've never read it.

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:41:30AM -0300, Marcio Merlone wrote: > Wietse Venema escreveu: >> (...) >> Apart from that, if they come up with a decent MTA then I welcome >> some competition. More motivation for me to look into postfix-lite. >> > That would be great, I have some servers wich sends

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2009-05-28 Thread Simon Waters
On Thursday 28 May 2009 14:41:30 Marcio Merlone wrote: > > That would be great, I have some servers wich sends nothing but > administrative mails to me, logcheck, crontab, such annoying things. > They need nothing more than a bare bones MTA wich is able to send mails > to a relay host. Debian has

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Marcio Merlone
Wietse Venema escreveu: (...) Apart from that, if they come up with a decent MTA then I welcome some competition. More motivation for me to look into postfix-lite. That would be great, I have some servers wich sends nothing but administrative mails to me, logcheck, crontab, such annoying thin

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Wietse Venema
Marcio Merlone: > John Peach escreveu: > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:56:38 +0200 > > Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > > >> Turns out Wietse was wrong: > >> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ > > > > All political; no real rational reasoning for it > > I see no technical rea

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
John Peach wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:56:38 +0200 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Turns out Wietse was wrong: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ All political; no real rational reasoning for it I'm not sure I would characterize a disagreement over licensing

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Marcio Merlone
John Peach escreveu: On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:56:38 +0200 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Turns out Wietse was wrong: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ All political; no real rational reasoning for it I see no technical reason, but politics _sometimes_ are rat

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
> > Turns out Wietse was wrong: > > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ > > All political; no real rational reasoning for it I know, but still worth an informational message -- Ralf Hildebrandt Postfix - Einrichtung, Betrieb und Wartung Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-15

Re: "nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread John Peach
On Thu, 28 May 2009 11:56:38 +0200 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > Turns out Wietse was wrong: > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ > All political; no real rational reasoning for it -- John

"nobody is going to write a new MTA"

2009-05-28 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
Turns out Wietse was wrong: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/334866/fffe7b1a0716c0e4/ -- Ralf Hildebrandt Postfix - Einrichtung, Betrieb und Wartung Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 http://www.computerbeschimpfung.de I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck. -- Rob Pike, co