Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-18 Thread greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
hello,  There is some truth to the subject matter.I will leave it up to each of you to decide.https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/replacement-cover.pdf Social scientist now know you need at least 2.0 kids per couple in order for a civilization to survive.

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-17 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
About 15 years ago while living in Tucson, I made a posted about H1B and Gabrielle Giffords to the Tucson Free Unix list (now shutdown). As I recall she wanted to expand the H1B system. I was met with hostility and one guy went as far as to ask if I were afraid of more qualified people. Yik

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-17 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
I posted a video to YouTube about "is college worth it" This is my personal experience : https://youtu.be/r-QXn8clLoQ On 2023-07-16 20:03, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-17 Thread Samuel Carter via PLUG-discuss
I’m with Der.Hans. On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 11:04 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and > arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for my > current role, my value is only

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread George Toft via PLUG-discuss
There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and arithmetic.  Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for my current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric Snowden type of security breaches. If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how governme

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
I made the original post and it was based on an article and I'm pretty sure I included a link. My intent was to alert others to keep their eyes open, that was all. And I may have also posted that there is or is going to be some free training for any entry level chip making position. If intere

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2023-07-16 14:37, der.hans wrote: Am 16. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so: Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is political I did not open a bag of worms. I am very much closing the bag that had already been opened. Discrimination is not acce

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
This particular thread is completely off topic.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but this is not the place to discuss them. As for offensiveness.  The plant isn't even built yet and people are automatically assuming/voicing things that can't be taken any other way than to know their a

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread der.hans via PLUG-discuss
Am 16. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so: Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is political I did not open a bag of worms. I am very much closing the bag that had already been opened. Discrimination is not acceptable. and I do not blame folks for

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is political and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on this subject. I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.". However we let way too many people in. No need to import a bunch of Taiwanese

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-16 Thread der.hans via PLUG-discuss
Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so: This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate. People coming from other countries are still people. PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's history. We currently have members from several countries. N

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-08 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
You would think so, but it's more complicated. We're not getting the top performers. Those are being snapped up by governments and companies that directly interface with the educational institutions. Also, take Argentina, for example. Back in early 2000's (when i was working with george, small

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-07 Thread trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
:So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved the job more than you since they would do the same work for less money? Also, why would an American be better at the job than someone from anywhere else? Or are you saying you are better than most of your peers in general, you're p

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-07 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Don't make me cry!! On 2023-07-07 14:09, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors Degrees willing to work for minimum wage. Case in point.  My employer is required to post HR crap in the public spaces (break rooms).  One of the posts

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-07 Thread George Toft via PLUG-discuss
The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors Degrees willing to work for minimum wage. Case in point.  My employer is required to post HR crap in the public spaces (break rooms).  One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy was providing a DBA for $66K/year.  Tata takes 1/3 (t

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-07 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a load of H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to escape while they still can before China says No. Like most any one here on visa, t

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-07-07 Thread George Toft via PLUG-discuss
My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD.  He was talking to one of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the local jobs TSMC will create.  She assured him that was not the case - most of the workers will come from Taiwan. This may very well be the case if an Americ

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-08 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2023-06-08 04:52, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: I can always tell when discussions have gone off into the weeds when the topic switches to assigning blame for things whose outcomes are entirely predictable over time. -David Schwartz David please explain how our current problems wh

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-08 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
Good point. Back on topic then. TSMC isn't a sweatshop. Taiwan has a different culture than we do and the corporate culture of TSMC is kinda half and half between US and Taiwan (say what you want about H1Bs, but when most of your decision makers are trained in the US, it has a cultural impact).

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-08 Thread David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
I can always tell when discussions have gone off into the weeds when the topic switches to assigning blame for things whose outcomes are entirely predictable over time. -David Schwartz > On Jun 7, 2023, at 6:42 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > Who's to blame indeed... We are

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Who's to blame indeed... We are - our political class. On 2023-06-07 18:25, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: QUESTION? I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for that > technology? Being ol

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
> QUESTION? > > I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located > in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for that > technology? Being old enough to be there and experience the start of mass-production of copy/duplicate/counterfeit goods in the late 70's

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2023-06-07 18:18, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: I asked the question because most of the advances in the world seem to have come from the good ol USA. And who pays for this? Taxpayers. Years ago I was at a Christian men's meeting and the speaker said we should pay I meant pray no

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
I asked the question because most of the advances in the world seem to have come from the good ol USA. And who pays for this? Taxpayers. Years ago I was at a Christian men's meeting and the speaker said we should pay for ourselves first. At first that struck me as odd. Then he went on to s

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's just someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get all the people they need, et

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's just someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get all the people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at a company that got bo

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread Jim via PLUG-discuss
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read that Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes Booth. On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a sweatshop -

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-07 Thread David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
TSMC’s office and Fab 21 is being built in the West Valley, between the 303 and Dove Valley Rd, at about 47th Ave. It’s a HUGE facility under construction west of the I-17 that can be seen when driving north towards Anthem. Intel bought more land in the East Valley, tho. -David Schwartz > O

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-06 Thread Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss
I work at Intel as a process engineer, and while we struggle with work-life balance, TSMC takes it to a whole new level. You couldn't pay me enough to work for them even if I lost my job today, that is if I wanted to retain my marriage and ever see my kids again. -Ma

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-06 Thread Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
Most Southeast Asian (SEA) countries' standards of work hours would horrify most Americans if applied, but same as there (likely) will be no canings here, labor laws tend to frown on mandating 60 hour work weeks. Of course they will frown on the lazy American's "only" working 40 hours a week, taki

I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

2023-06-06 Thread Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a sweatshop --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/pl