trent shipley via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 6 Jun 2023 02:03:12 -0700
>*Pointy haired manager to programmer:* We are thinking of replacing
>programming with AI.
>
>*Programmer:* Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers with AI.
>
>*PHM:* No, replace programming itself.
>
>*P:* How? Why?
This is a necessary program to fill the gap in semiconductor tech
hiring. There are plenty of engineers to be had, but there is a
chronic labor shortage across the entire industry for fab techs that
know how to turn a wrench and work a voltmeter. This labor shortage
has p
I work at Intel as a process engineer, and while we struggle with
work-life balance, TSMC takes it to a whole new level. You couldn't
pay me enough to work for them even if I lost my job today, that is
if I wanted to retain my marriage and ever see my kids again.
-Ma
Most Southeast Asian (SEA) countries' standards of work hours would horrify
most Americans if applied, but same as there (likely) will be no canings
here, labor laws tend to frown on mandating 60 hour work weeks. Of course
they will frown on the lazy American's "only" working 40 hours a week,
taki
Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
sweatshop
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This is a DANGER ZONE that should be avoided right now, IMHO.
Look at the world today: we have this political system that has gone haywire
and media outlets that hand anybody a microphone and five minutes to spout off
anything they want without fact-checking it or even taking any responsibility
When I'm actually an expert at the thing I ask chatGPT for, yeah, like an
intern. It'll say something that will prompt me to go down some road or
other, and I ignore the obviously wrong answers. When I'm an amateur at
the thing, it sounds authoritative and I don't have the ability to know
better.
My experience so far is … ChatGPT is great if treated like I’ve got access to
an intern to help with grunt work.
The quality is about the same, it’s a lot faster than an intern would take, and
it doesn’t complain if you tell it to try a different approach.
If you just hit the ‘regenerate’ butto
Yeah given where these things are with put-one-word-after-another LLM's and
image generators, I don't see it as being too taxing to make an AI which
could generate passable static web sites for mom n' pop restaurants. Make
it run a 100 examples and the top dozen will rival human work. Playing th
I don't think AI can completely replace programmers. I see it as a tool.
Nothing more (at least at this time). It's going to be extremely lacking in
any context on what the job entails. A manager can't simply go in and type
"please make me a good looking website that's going to replace Facebook. No
That’s awesome. I wish I was still in Arizona.
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 1:55 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> Came across this last night.
>
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> https://www.pcgamer.com/arizona-is-giving-residents-a-free-10-day-semiconductor-technician-course-in-anticipati
I think the scripters are vulnerable, however the compSci folks will be
the ones creating apps that create apps.
On 2023-06-06 09:40, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I'm saying it doesn't write code. It doesn't have to.
Business wants results with minimally acceptable quality. You bui
I'm saying it doesn't write code. It doesn't have to.
Business wants results with minimally acceptable quality. You build the
AI. You train the AI. You get minimally acceptable results. You tinker
with the AI if desired.
But the AI does not deliver code. It delivers useful results within
st
Try copilot and see all the wonderful ways you've never thought of to make
terrible code even if it passes tests. Programming the AI to write ok code
is harder than writing the code right now.
I'm all for the AI stuff. It's great as a convenient method to google,
etc. And codefill is... eh. If
We are worried about AI learning to do programming and taking over
programming jobs.
Modern AI doesn't produce code, it makes writing a lot of code unnecessary.
It may not be that programmers become obsolete but that coding as we know
it now becomes obsolete.
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 3:25 AM Micha
I've seen this movie before it was the Firestone tire issue about 30
years ago.
On 2023-06-06 02:03, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Pointy haired manager to programmer: We are thinking of replacing
programming with AI.
Programmer: Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers wi
I don't get it...
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:03 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> *Pointy haired manager to programmer:* We are thinking of replacing
> programming with AI.
>
> *Programmer:* Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers with AI.
>
> *P
*Pointy haired manager to programmer:* We are thinking of replacing
programming with AI.
*Programmer:* Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers with AI.
*PHM:* No, replace programming itself.
*P:* How? Why?
*PHM: * Well, the Big, Poorly Understood AI produces really good results
witho
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