Re: [plug] Open source bill – it’s about time

2006-12-06 Thread Rage Callao
On 12/5/06, Andy Sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You definitely sound like someone who has been drinking the Richard Stallman Kool-Aid. I DO NOT choose a tool because of its license, I choose it because it is practical and fits my needs. Oh c'mon man, you can do better than that can you? I could

Re: [plug] Open source bill – it’s abou t time

2006-12-06 Thread Andy Sy
Rage Callao wrote: > You use OSS tools because its practical for you. The > people who created most of those tools you find practical > didn't make them just for practical reasons. What other reason would there be to write a piece of software? To spread a political idea? I'm afraid a piece of so

Re: [plug] IVR system on LInux

2006-12-06 Thread John Peter Loh
You can try Asterisk but I'm not sure if it'll work with a regular external modem. On 12/6/06, GOvvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone tried any linux based IVR* solution? I'm hoping to create a simple IVR using a regular ext. modem. Am looking at this one: http://search.cpan.org/search?di

Re: [plug] Open source bill – it’s about time

2006-12-06 Thread Zak B. Elep
On 12/6/06, Andy Sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A 'commie', however, would be someone who believes that the above is NOT ok solely out of "principle". And if you don't believe Stallman and Co. are of this mindset, you are either being deliberately dishonest or you fail to read their manifestos pr

[plug] Re: Open source bill – it’s about ti me

2006-12-06 Thread Anthony Chua
Zak wrote: Bill or no bill, government or no government, FOSS is here to stay, so I think much of this speculation crap is moot. Think about it this way, if FOSS is truly cheaper and better then why can't a FOSS provider win a bid against proprietary software fair and square without the help o

Re: [plug] Re: Open sour ce bill – it’s about time

2006-12-06 Thread Zak B. Elep
On 12/7/06, Anthony Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Think about it this way, if FOSS is truly cheaper and better then why can't a FOSS provider win a bid against proprietary software fair and square without the help of the bill? Come to think of it, now that someone mentioned about the POSIX st

RE: [plug] Re: Open source bill - it's about time

2006-12-06 Thread John Galt
>>Bill or no bill, government or no government, FOSS is here to stay, so I think much of this speculation crap is moot. I agree. FOSS is here to stay. F/OSS has always been a good alternative to proprietary software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PR

Re: [plug] Re: Open source bill - it's about time

2006-12-06 Thread Mhac Janapin
Hello, I am glad that we are all supporters of F/OSS here. In one way or another, we do our best to promote it and use it (not necessarily in that order). Now, Rep Teddy Casino is doing his job. He has that mandate. I'd say, let's support him or let's help him make that bill better. The rest of

Re: [plug] Re: Open source bill – it’s about time

2006-12-06 Thread Mhac Janapin
I'm just galled by people who act like they have no Utang na Loob. I think we are indebted to these guys who started out GNU/Linux. No, we whould never worship them; but at least respect must be given when it is due. We are enjoying these freedom that we now have because of Stallman-minded people.

Re: [plug] IVR system on LInux

2006-12-06 Thread GOvvin
Thanks. I've read about asterisk but I really don't have VOIP/PBX requirements. Just looking for plain IVR for modem control. On 12/6/06, John Peter Loh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can try Asterisk but I'm not sure if it'll work with a regular external modem. On 12/6/06, GOvvin <[EMAIL PROT

[plug] Advise on RPM vs. Compiling source

2006-12-06 Thread Jun Salen
Hi, Need some advice on installing postfix in CentOS4. Which is better, installing by yum or rpm -i or by compiling from source code? What are the advantages and/or disadvantages of each. Thanks. junji linux registered user #253162 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenge

Re: [plug] Re: Open source bill - it's about time

2006-12-06 Thread Orlando Andico
I just got today's Star as a freebie at jollibug. Federico Pascual has printed many of the reactions to his article, including one by Obet Verzola whom I'm sure you all know on this list. Pretty much a fair and even-handed treatment of Pascual's detractors, I must say. ___

Re: [plug] Re: Response to Federico Pascual

2006-12-06 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 06:12 +0800, Sir John Nueva wrote: > Some thoughts! > > > > By nature human do not want to be suppressed; all law that will > prohibit them from freedom to choose is actually counter acting on > this very nature [Consumer right must also be protected]. As we view > the evi

Re: [plug] Re: Response to Federico Pascual

2006-12-06 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 19:49 +0800, Anthony Chua wrote: > Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: > > >On the other hand, the bill opens up MORE choices for governments to > >where they can source services - it's not anymore limited to > >monopolistic practices that traditional software companies practice. >

Re: [plug] Advise on RPM vs. Compiling source

2006-12-06 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 01:40 +, Jun Salen wrote: > Hi, > > Need some advice on installing postfix in CentOS4. > Which is better, installing by yum or rpm -i or by > compiling from source code? What are the advantages > and/or disadvantages of each. Thanks. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".

Re: [plug] Advise on RPM vs. Compiling source

2006-12-06 Thread Tito Mari Francis Escaño
Use the package management facility first for convenience. When you want to minimize dependency problems, along with elimination of usually optional and unused packages, you can build it from source. Consider the tradeoff between convenience offered by package managers like RPM and the responsibil

Re: [plug] Advise on RPM vs. Compiling source

2006-12-06 Thread Peter Santiago
Jun Salen wrote: Hi, Need some advice on installing postfix in CentOS4. Which is better, installing by yum or rpm -i or by compiling from source code? What are the advantages and/or disadvantages of each. Thanks. I guess what you're trying to do is to optimize the packages for your system,

Re: [plug] Open source bill – it’s abou t time

2006-12-06 Thread Andy Sy
Mhac Janapin wrote: > I'm just galled by people who act like they have > no Utang na Loob. I think we are indebted to these > guys who started out GNU/Linux. If it is being offered for free why should we be "in debt"...? ;-) Don't forget GPL-ed code comes with strings attached. I happen to thin

Re: [plug] Re: Open source bill ? it?s about time

2006-12-06 Thread wEnDeLL
You should really understand in the first place what we are up to when you embrace this thing called "FLOSS". It's like you're paddling against the tides, so it would be normal to receive such negative comments. Even RMS had received a lot of criticisms and rejections on his crusade for free softw

Re: [plug] Advise on RPM vs. Compiling source

2006-12-06 Thread Jun Salen
Hi Paolo, I see your point, because today. I want to uninstall the software I installed from the source code and I don't know how I do it. Will I just delete the folder it created one by one or there are any other means to do it. Unlike rpm or Yum. Other benifits that I see is that when upgrading

Re: [plug] Advise on RPM vs. Compiling source

2006-12-06 Thread Gideon Guillen
On 12/7/06, Jun Salen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see your point, because today. I want to uninstall the software I installed from the source code and I don't know how I do it. Will I just delete the folder it created one by one or there are any other means to do it. Unlike rpm or Yum. Other ben

[plug] Re: Response to Federico Pascual

2006-12-06 Thread Anthony Chua
From: Paolo Alexis Falcone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" Subject: Re: [plug] Re: Response to Federico Pascual Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:14:19 +0800 > It is to