Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Zak B. Elep
Hi Dean! On 7/18/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah, well DOST has employees that maintain the OpenBSD systems -- the employees cost money to keep. Although I do understand that the savings come at the price of accountability and "someone to blame when it all goes wrong", it

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rage Callao
On 7/19/06, Rogelio Serrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it would be hard to get a single recommendation. The most important thing is put something into law so that sometime in the future all software needs by anybody in the philippines is available on the net by download for free. I comp

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/19/06, Rage Callao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, let's try getting everybody back to the table. An open source bill will only be helpful if it does any of these things: 1. Mandates -- seems to be whole lot of disagreement on this one 2. Favors -- disagreements too, but likely 3. Promotes -

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
mouth works somehow, but the industry and the developers have to pick it up first and improve it to the point of "marketability" -- more users of the software would be nice, but that's not what's really needed right now. Some software might be argued "market ready" like OpenOffice, Mozilla [Firefo

Re: [plug] open source it management system

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/19/06, Joey S. Eisma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi! is anyone aware of any open source it management software having at least these two requirements: 1. find all computers in the network, return the os, hardware and software installed 2. most important of all, be able to keep track of the

[plug] Re: Open Source IT Management System

2006-07-18 Thread Dominique Cimafranca
Not exactly open source, but if you can, give IBM Director a spin.  It does what you ask for.  It's free with purchase of any IBM server. On 7/18/06, Joey S. Eisma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> hi!>> is anyone aware of any open source it management software having at> least these two requirements: >

Re: [plug] open source it management system

2006-07-18 Thread Ariz Jacinto
we have the same need before and developed our owninstead after evaluating many options. unfortunately,it is for "internal use" only.if you dont have the luxury of in-house development, you might want to try AIDA32 (freeware, discontinued), glue everything with a script and present the data thrua w

[plug] Help about Lokiwall Firewall

2006-07-18 Thread Jagi Sarcilla
Hi,Im planning to setup a dual route with load balance internet connection for my two 2M DSL connection.im using Fedora 5. i've successfully recompile my kernel with necessary patch and build new kernel. i've followed instruction based on lokiwall INSTALL and README.but dual route/load balance wont

Re: [plug] [OFF-TOPIC] Job Opportunity

2006-07-18 Thread Clair Ching
On 7/19/06, Edwin Quita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hello peeps,   anyone here who's looking for a job or planning to move to another company, please see the requirements below:Hi, Edwin :) It's great to share opportunities like this one with everyone but there is a specific list for that.[EMAIL

[plug] [OFF-TOPIC] Job Opportunity

2006-07-18 Thread Edwin Quita
hello peeps,   anyone here who's looking for a job or planning to move to another company, please see the requirements below:   looking for a Team Lead person who have strong background on Open Source and MS SQLstrong in microsoft SQL and open source since these are the systems OS and language

Re: [plug] open source it management system

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/19/06, Joey S. Eisma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi! is anyone aware of any open source it management software having at least these two requirements: 1. find all computers in the network, return the os, hardware and software installed 2. most important of all, be able to keep track of the

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/19/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Right now the development initiaitive is left to private enterprise and individuals and foreign donors. >We have always been good at imitating others anyway. If we leave that to the government it will take forever. In this country the initiati

[plug] open source it management system

2006-07-18 Thread Joey S. Eisma
hi! is anyone aware of any open source it management software having at least these two requirements: 1. find all computers in the network, return the os, hardware and software installed 2. most important of all, be able to keep track of the hardware's history: i.e. RAM has been changed

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus
"Kenneth P. Oncinian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I remember having this problem with YUM, beat the hell out of the #centos guys in freenodein attempt to at least understand why YUM is failingon me... the consensus of the channel was I have a proxy connection between me and the YUM repository.The s

RE: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Charles Yao
>Right now the development initiaitive is left to private enterprise and individuals and foreign donors. >We have always been good at imitating others anyway. If we leave that to the government it will take forever. In this country the initiative usually comes from private enterprise as the gover

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/19/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/19/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > why oppose the bill, its not even crafted yet, if it would help to promote > the use of FOSS then great, if not fine, at least the distinguish gentleman > tried, right? look at the brigh

Re: [plug] Does yum suck? Was: Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread Kenneth P. Oncinian
I remember having this problem with YUM, beat the hell out of the #centos guys in freenode in attempt to at least understand why YUM is failing on me... the consensus of the channel was I have a proxy connection between me and the YUM repository. The suggested solution was simple (but not elegan

Re: [plug] Does yum suck? Was: Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread roderick tapang
On 7/19/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: rexonf wrote: > I kinda get the feeling that yum sucks. > No, Yum does not suck. It is powerful and flexible and is actively maintained and developed at Duke.edu. not to mention that it'll save you $$$ (via yam/yum) if you have RHEL boxes and d

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Dean Michael Berris
On 7/19/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: why oppose the bill, its not even crafted yet, if it would help to promote the use of FOSS then great, if not fine, at least the distinguish gentleman tried, right? look at the bright side, once this bill reached the floor for deliberation, it wil

Re: [plug] Does yum suck? Was: Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread O Plameras
rexonf wrote: I kinda get the feeling that yum sucks. No, Yum does not suck. It is powerful and flexible and is actively maintained and developed at Duke.edu. Yum is an excellent and automatic updater and package installer/remover for rpm systems. It automatically computes dependencies and

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/19/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/19/06, Rage Callao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> An open source bill will only be helpful if it does any of these things:> > Of course, there's no point to an open source bill if it doesn't> contain any of the above.>Is an open source b

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Dean Michael Berris
On 7/19/06, Rage Callao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: An open source bill will only be helpful if it does any of these things: Of course, there's no point to an open source bill if it doesn't contain any of the above. Is an open source bill even required in the first place? What will the mot

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread Ian Dexter R. Marquez
On 7/19/06, Ian Dexter R. Marquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The baseurl lines in /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo are commented out by default -- well, at least in my setup -- and uses CentOS mirrors instead. If that doesn't work for you, try commenting out mirrorlist lines and use baseurl inst

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread Ian Dexter R. Marquez
Hi, The baseurl lines in /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Base.repo are commented out by default -- well, at least in my setup -- and uses CentOS mirrors instead. If that doesn't work for you, try commenting out mirrorlist lines and use baseurl instead. On 7/18/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rage Callao
Ok, let's try getting everybody back to the table. An open source bill will only be helpful if it does any of these things: 1. Mandates -- seems to be whole lot of disagreement on this one 2. Favors -- disagreements too, but likely 3. Promotes -- probable and doesn't seem to step on as many toes.

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/18/06, Rogelio Serrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> and for those cynics that says FOSS can't topple big bad bill, read your> history books, microsoft didn't start out big then toppled big blue(ibm) > instantly, he worked his ass off.>> and for

Re: [plug] Re:resolving https based sites (jan gestre)

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/18/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, captain_claw < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "jan gestre" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> i've just installed a local dns server, www, ftp can resolve thier ip's but i'm having problems resolving our webmail client which runs on https, i've al

[plug] Re: EUopen source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
Sorry i misread the article. On 7/18/06, Rogelio Serrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is a good idea http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-07-18-015-26-NW-SW-PB If this passes then im going to seriously consider emmigrating to an EU country! -- things i hate about my linux p

[plug] EUopen source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
This is a good idea http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-07-18-015-26-NW-SW-PB If this passes then im going to seriously consider emmigrating to an EU country! -- things i hate about my linux pc: 1. it takes more than a second to boot up 2. keeps asking about filenames and dire

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: and for those cynics that says FOSS can't topple big bad bill, read your history books, microsoft didn't start out big then toppled big blue(ibm) instantly, he worked his ass off. and for those saying that there is no money being in the FOSS bu

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, manny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've got it backwards. The more pragmatic way is to say we should use open source software everywhere we can NOW, and then retain or use proprietary software in the meantime in places where we can't use open source software. The government will save

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/18/06, John Peter Loh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, manny < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being pragmatic about it says: okay, let's use> proprietary software while there aren't any cheaper alternatives for> us the meantime -- now when someone else creates open source versions> or alter

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gideon Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus wrote:> Just recently installed centos4.3. i tried installing some software and > found out that yum is taking some time to process.Have you edited you reposito

Re: [plug] Re:resolving https based sites (jan gestre)

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/18/06, captain_claw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "jan gestre" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> i've just installed a local dns server, www, ftp can resolve thier ip's but i'm having problems resolving our webmail client which runs on https, i've already added PTR, A, www and MX records but https can

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread John Peter Loh
On 7/18/06, manny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being pragmatic about it says: okay, let's use> proprietary software while there aren't any cheaper alternatives for> us the meantime -- now when someone else creates open source versions> or alternatives, then perhaps we can asses them then. You've go

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread manny
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Dean Michael Berris wrote: Yeah, well DOST has employees that maintain the OpenBSD systems -- the employees cost money to keep. It doesn't cost much more to maintain BSD systems than proprietary systems. Itr usually costs far less because you need fewer administrators an

[plug] Does yum suck? Was: Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread rexonf
I kinda get the feeling that yum sucks. Why doesn't it cache the package info (like urpmi for example)? I know there's an advantage to not caching as you never have to update the cache. But in practice this only slows things down and isn't the point of having an automated rpm is to speed up ins

Re: [plug] Re: Re: Yum problem (Gideon Guillen)

2006-07-18 Thread Gideon Guillen
On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's the output. # wget http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=4&arch=i386&repo=updates Hmm... enclose the URL with quotes. -- Gideon N. Guillen [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Philippine Linux Us

Re: [plug] Re: Re: Yum problem (Gideon Guillen)

2006-07-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus
Gideon Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I dont have any firewall. I even tried adding dag repo and still it has> errors saying cannot find a valid baseurl. i even tried reinstalling it and> with the same result.Can you try accessing th

Re: [plug] Re: Re: Yum problem (Gideon Guillen)

2006-07-18 Thread Gideon Guillen
On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I dont have any firewall. I even tried adding dag repo and still it has errors saying cannot find a valid baseurl. i even tried reinstalling it and with the same result. Can you try accessing these URLs from a web browser on that mach

[plug] turbo linux apt repository

2006-07-18 Thread zhanel lopez
Hi guys. Do you know any good turbolinux repository? thank you in advance. _ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List plug@lists.linux.org.ph (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Read the Guidelines: http://linux.org.ph/lists Searchable Archives: http:/

Re: [plug] Re: Re: Yum problem (Gideon Guillen)

2006-07-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus
captain_claw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Have you edited you repository list on /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d/* ?>> Not yet. Before i didn't edit my yum repos but i can install softwares. But> that was centos4.2. Is it different wi

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I agree. Depends on the solution. and cloning ms office like all of them have been doing just dont cut it. even integration the mac way dont cut it. >a new solution is needed. a new approach. Google is trying something new. But its dependent

RE: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Charles Yao
>I agree. Depends on the solution. and cloning ms office like all of them have been doing just dont cut it. even integration the mac way dont cut it. >a new solution is needed. a new approach. Google is trying something new. But its dependent on a broadband connection which is still difficult to

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Serrano Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:33 PM To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Subject: Re: [plug] open source bi

RE: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Charles Yao
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Serrano Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:33 PM To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Subject: Re: [plug] open source bill On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

[plug] Re: Re: Yum problem (Gideon Guillen)

2006-07-18 Thread captain_claw
On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Have you edited you repository list on /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d/* ?>> Not yet. Before i didn't edit my yum repos but i can install softwares. But> that was centos4.2. Is it different with 4.3 ? What will i put ?Hmm... that's

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can tell you how to make a sprinkler, can you compete with TYCO? Chances are you cant, no one can compete with them. Does this mean they no longer of course thats not software. i dont have the proper production facilities at my disposal. le

[plug] Re:resolving https based sites (jan gestre)

2006-07-18 Thread captain_claw
From: "jan gestre" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> i've just installed a local dns server, www, ftp can resolve thier ip's but i'm having problems resolving our webmail client which runs on https, i've already added PTR, A, www and MX records but https can't resolve. i can'tfind any documentation regarding th

RE: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Charles Yao
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Serrano Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:13 PM To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Subject: Re: [plug] open source bill On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, John Peter Loh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snipped..] I'd like to contribute to an open source traffic management/monitoring system. It's one of the major problems that I want to help in fixing it (or alleviate the problem at least). Its actually easy to get the numbers its the dis

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread Gideon Guillen
On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Have you edited you repository list on /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d/* ? Not yet. Before i didn't edit my yum repos but i can install softwares. But that was centos4.2. Is it different with 4.3 ? What will i put ? Hmm... that's

RE: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Charles Yao
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Serrano Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:08 PM To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Subject: Re: [plug] open source bill On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [plug] resolving https based sites

2006-07-18 Thread jopoy solano
FYI: DNS has nothing to do with https. I only maps domain names to ip addresses and vice versa.https is a uri scheme that indicates the use of a secure layer or a different port (443).Note: http defaults to port 80. On 7/18/06, jan gestre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i've just installed a local dns s

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snopped...] It maybe convenient but its true. There is no way you can run a government exactly the same as a company, they are different on many levels. thats a very arguable point but... oh sorry i thought i was in a social science list.

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus
Gideon Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Just recently installed centos4.3. i tried installing some software and> found out that yum is taking some time to process.Have you edited you repository list on /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d

RE: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Charles Yao
>Yes they know their stuff and they dont tell everybody else. If the knowledge was available to everybody else then they would not be that big. >They get their revenue from software sales. Service companies dont. I was speaking in narrow terms. Software selling companies treat software as >proper

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >dont design software that needs support. if the developer dont know how the software is used to accomplish task you cannot make software that dont need >>support. Seriously, even products from companies like IBM, Novell and Redhat have proble

Re: [plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread Gideon Guillen
On 7/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just recently installed centos4.3. i tried installing some software and found out that yum is taking some time to process. Have you edited you repository list on /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d/* ? -- Gideon N. Guillen [EMAIL PROTE

[plug] resolving https based sites

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
i've just installed a local dns server, www, ftp can resolve thier ip's but i'm having problems resolving our webmail client which runs on https, i've already added PTR, A, www and MX records but https can't resolve. i can't find any documentation regarding this, what did i miss? TIA-- RoundCube Ro

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Serrano Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:04 PM To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List Subject: Re: [plug] open source bi

Re: [plug] open source bill

2006-07-18 Thread jan gestre
On 7/18/06, Charles Yao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 20:25 +0800, Dean Michael Berris wrote:> It doesn't make sense to lower the count of Windows based machines in> government because if it works for them, why do we need to change it? [snipped]>Because Windows is a very insecure

[plug] Yum problem

2006-07-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]@cus
hi guys,Just recently installed centos4.3. i tried installing some software and found out that yum is taking some time to process. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum updateSetting up Update ProcessSetting up repositoriesError: Can,t find a valid baseurlI can ping and traceroute to any sites but i cant do yu