Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 14:40:35 +0800 Jason Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:35, John Manko wrote: perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the advanced listed shouldn't answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting - my take on it.

Hello, First.. I have nothing to say right now about PHP programming... except I am learning it and like what I have learned so far.(background in several languages). Second... I just did a little query of my mail and found that out of 165 messages received to day on this list alone, 41 of th

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

ing back hitler? - Original Message - From: "Robert Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Sherwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 16:36,

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:09:06 -0500 Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: neurotic \Neu*rot"ic\, a. [Gr. ? nerve.] 1. Of or pertaining to the nerves; seated in the nerves; nervous; as, a neurotic disease. 2. Uself in disorders of, or affecting, the nerves. I am being a smart-ars

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

> This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most > people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. > Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the > manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such > garbage day after day do

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... keep it to yourself now how does that equate to being like or bringing back hitler? - Original Message - From: "Robert Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Sherwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

Hi Amanda, Yeah, terminology is definitely tough to get a handle on at the start -- it was for me. I tried a couple of different books but had no luck until I picked up Larry Ullman's PHP Visual QuickStart Guide. Then it all kind of clicked into place. I highly recommend it -- it's like a big i

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

11:39 PM To: andu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting andu wrote: > This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most > people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. > Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like &#

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Ok.. one last comment. Or rather idea... Perhaps we should set up a php-helpers list so discussions like these don't get mixed up with what this discussion list is about. if you think this might work, please please email me (off-list) and I'll start making things happen. Curt -- "I used to t

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

I am definitely a novice, and I use the online manual, but a lot of times I won't even know what to search for, or I'll search for something and not find what I'm looking for, or I'll find what I think I'm looking for, then pour over some unclear examples and text and realize it's NOT what I'm look

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 06:26:34 + Curt Zirzow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately there are some who most

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

sage - > From: "Robert Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Chris Sherwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting > > > > On Wed, 2003

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

From: "Gabriel Guzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 11:44, Chris W. Parker wrote: > > > A bad answer would be: > > > > "RTFM http://php.net/preg_match"; > > > > A good answer would be: > > > > "That can be done with a regular expression. The function you're looking > > for is called

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:35, John Manko wrote: > perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the > advanced listed shouldn't > answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list > to answer. On many lists you get this kind of suggestion. Almost always th

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:04:57 -0400 Step Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Amanda, Yeah, terminology is definitely tough to get a handle on at the start -- it was for me. I tried a couple of different books but had no luck until I picked up Larry Ullman's PHP Visual QuickStart

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This kind of opiniion wars appear every since in many of the lists I'm subscribed to. The thing is that they ussually tend to nothing, since there are always people who think on one way, and otehrs who think the other, and no matter what you say, they will continue thinking that way. I agree that

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 11:44, Chris W. Parker wrote: > A bad answer would be: > > "RTFM http://php.net/preg_match"; > > A good answer would be: > > "That can be done with a regular expression. The function you're looking > for is called preg_match. http://php.net/preg_match"; I fail to see the

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

* Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people > are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately > there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the manual' and other shit > like that. Stuffing e-mailbox

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I've only been php coding for less than 2 months. I learn, learn, learn, only ask questions when research turns up nothing, and answer other's questions when I know the answer. andu wrote: --On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 14:40:35 +0800 Jason Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 06

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 06 August 2003 03:40, Jason Wong wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:35, John Manko wrote: > > perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the > > advanced listed shouldn't > > answer questions if it's considered trivi

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 00:39:13 -0400 "John W. Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: andu wrote: This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'rea

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

what a silly elitist view you have > perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the > advanced listed shouldn't > answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list > to answer. > > > > Curt Zirzow wrote: > >>* Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> >> >>>Thi

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

At 02:54 AM 8/6/2003 -0400, andu wrote: if more people would read the manual or know how to find commonly asked and solved quetions this list would probaly drop in 20% (very rough estimate) of posts. Getting that information to the people who arn't reading the manual is a difficult task, cause i

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Your example is ridiculous -- it looks like you want a search egnine to properly phrase the question for you. This works and is more concise and clear: php find a string in a string Really, I don't think people should be using the mailing list in lieu of purchasing a book on PHP or reading one of

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 14:38:11 +0800 Jason Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:26, Curt Zirzow wrote: Now noisyness from the 'helpers'... I have noticed at times that a question is answered the same way like 10 times by 10 different people; this I consider

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hardly. I've answered questions on this list that I thought the answer could be easily found on google or php.net. Even more so, there are questions on this list that are CLEARLY "this is what I need, can you give me code." That is silly. What people should be asking is, "I can't find the a

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 15:45, Chris W. Parker wrote: > > The reason I noted google didn't know what the heck I was talking about > was because we're assuming the person asking the question (who btw is > not me) wouldn't be able to come up with "php find a string in a > string". That's the whole poi

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

Please ... put in the Subject --> [OFF-TOPIC] ... i don't want to see this stupid discussion ... Thanks On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:36:42 -0700 "Chris Sherwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well I have been watching this post all morning and now into the afternoon.. > > personally I think there is

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

g is if >>>you feel nasty ... keep it to yourself >>> >>>now how does that equate to being like or bringing back hitler? >>> >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Robert Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: &q

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

This will help: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html This has got to be the longest thread I've seen. -Original Message- From: andu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting This is a very busy

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The manual (especially user comments) and Google are invaluable to me as a PHP coder. As fast as this list is to respond to a very basic question, the manual and Google are faster. And more in-depth. So no offense but the replies you consider to be neurotic I consider to be helpful. -Step > Th

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

> > Calling someone a twat is not going to persuade anybody to change > how you think a proper reply should be. > > If I dont understand someone's question, should I not let them know > that if that make themselves a little clearer a better answer may > be given instead of 12 people shooting in the

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

On Wednesday 06 August 2003 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > good on you , i'm sick and tired of twats replying with i dont understand > your question or RTFM , i absolutely "hate" RTFM , the idea of the list is > to help eachother out and even post back to the list the completed code > someone w

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

I don't have time for speculative research and I'm not going to apologise for it. By answering a few queries of a technical nature, helpfully and constructively without recourse to rude TLA's and FL:A's (and not having to defend my modus operandi), I feel I earn the odd tasty morsel lobbed in

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t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting Andu's right. I've left several lists in the past, not because of people listing questions where they should have read the manual first, but be

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Andu's right. I've left several lists in the past, not because of people listing questions where they should have read the manual first, but because I couldn't stand the sad b**ds who get their kicks by belittling people with less knowledge but more manners than themselves. I've actually le

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

John Manko on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:36 PM said: > perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the > advanced listed shouldn't answer questions if it's considered > trivial enough for the novice list to answer. w00t! w00t! -- PHP General Maili

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[snip] I love that I can shoot off a question while at work and get an answer quick. It's too bad that my novice questions annoy people, but I'm just learning, and that's WHY I joined this list. It's a resource, just like the manual. [/snip] Generally you present a well thought out question due

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* Thus wrote Lucas Lain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Please ... put in the Subject --> [OFF-TOPIC] ... i don't want to see this stupid > discussion ... Hardly OT IMO. It is a discussion on methodolgy of helping people, and some good issued have been addressed, constructive and destructive. If the thr

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

[snip] This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such garbage day after day doesn

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Not to beat a dead horse, but... >From two separate responses: > And as for Google, I don't feel like I have time to wade through pages and > pages of irrelevant links until I find what I'm looking for when I have a > better resource right here. > > I've actually learned quite a few useful thin

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perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the advanced listed shouldn't answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list to answer. Curt Zirzow wrote: * Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day a

Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

* Thus wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most > > people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. > > Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the > > manual' and other shit like tha

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On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 16:36, Chris Sherwood wrote: > > or what does it take to actually give a reasonable answer... if I am gonna > be rude I wont say anything... doesnt any one remember their mother telling > them if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all? > That kind of t

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Jennifer Goodie on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:27 AM said: >> and in any event they're often things I >> wouldn't have thought about looking up anyway. > > > I love how the argument for not doing research is not having the > time/not wanting to waste time. That

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

Robert Cummings on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:27 PM said: > Your example is ridiculous -- it looks like you want a search egnine > to properly phrase the question for you. No it's not and it should be apparent why. "I'll even search groups.google.com by asking m

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and please don't answer saying that you aggree or don't agree with me I don't care just cut off with this thread please :) Juan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

Gabriel Guzman on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:10 PM said: > On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 11:44, Chris W. Parker wrote: > >> A bad answer would be: >> >> "RTFM http://php.net/preg_match"; >> >> A good answer would be: >> >> "That can be done with a regular expression. T

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 13:11:52 -0700 "Chris W. Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Aside from the fact that $example1 != $example2, they are different in ATTITUDE. Which was the original issue of this thread. Seems like few (with a temporary advantage of knowledge) would consider not to

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well I have been watching this post all morning and now into the afternoon.. personally I think there is differences in responses and well there are definite persons with an elitist attitude, some of these people are newbies... under immense amounts of pressure to pull something off... what does i

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[snip] Andu's right. I've left several lists in the past, not because of people listing questions where they should have read the manual first, but because I couldn't stand the sad b**ds who get their kicks by belittling people with less knowledge but more manners than themselves. [/snip] n

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Hey - it doesn't actually seem to matter whether one does research or not. Almost every single post I make, someone just HAS to tell me to search google, which is maddening. The whole idea behind a forum like this is to be able to communicate with others who may be able to help, and who you may be

RE: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting

On 06 August 2003 08:25, Daryl Meese wrote: > > For my part on at least one occassion I posted a question to > the list after > reading the manual (which in that case was clear as mud) and > got the "RTFM". > I was tempted to respond with IDRTFM - GFY. Well, easy way

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On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:26, Curt Zirzow wrote: > Now noisyness from the 'helpers'... I have noticed at times that a > question is answered the same way like 10 times by 10 different > people; this I consider more noisy than a RTFM post. And what I find really annoying is that some helpers

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andu wrote: This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such garbage day after da