Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread Phpster
On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Andrew Ballard wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: ... They almost always make your shit run faster. You know they make medicine for that? ;-) Andrew -- Tacos? Bastien Sent from my iPod -- PHP General Mailing List (http:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread J Ravi Menon
Sorry forgot to mention that we used APC with apc.stat turned off which will give a little bit more performance gain, but it does mean flushing the cache on every code push (which is trivial). Ravi On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:30 AM, J Ravi Menon wrote: > Hi, > > A note on bytecode caching and inc

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread J Ravi Menon
Hi, A note on bytecode caching and include/include_once performance. A while ago when we were profiling our code, we did notice that file includes do take a noticeable percentage of overall overhead (enough for us to look into it more deep). We are using apc cache on a standard LAMP platform (linu

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread Robert Cummings
clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:48:59 -0500, rob...@interjinn.com (Robert Cummings) wrote: clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: Thank you all for your comments. I did not know about bytecode caches. They're an interesting concept, but if I am interpreting the paper http://itst.ne

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread Robert Cummings
Graham Cossey wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: They almost always make your shit run faster. I love your final statement Robert! A reply of good grammar and vocabulary summarised most succinctly. :) -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Frame

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: > ... > They almost always make your shit run faster. You know they make medicine for that? ;-) Andrew -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-08 Thread Graham Cossey
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: > > They almost always make your shit run faster. I love your final statement Robert! A reply of good grammar and vocabulary summarised most succinctly. -- Graham -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-07 Thread clancy_1
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:48:59 -0500, rob...@interjinn.com (Robert Cummings) wrote: >clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: >> Thank you all for your comments. I did not know about bytecode caches. >> They're an >> interesting concept, but if I am interpreting the paper >> http://itst.net/654-php-on-fire-th

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-07 Thread Robert Cummings
clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: Thank you all for your comments. I did not know about bytecode caches. They're an interesting concept, but if I am interpreting the paper http://itst.net/654-php-on-fire-three-opcode-caches-compared correctly they only double the average speed of operation, which is

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-07 Thread clancy_1
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:20:26 -0500, kolb0...@umn.edu (Daniel Kolbo) wrote: >Daevid Vincent wrote: >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Al [mailto:n...@ridersite.org] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:09 PM >>> To: php-general@lists.php.net >>> Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP programming

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-07 Thread clancy_1
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:11:07 -0800, dae...@daevid.com ("Daevid Vincent") wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Al [mailto:n...@ridersite.org] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:09 PM >> To: php-general@lists.php.net >> Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little >

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-07 Thread Daniel Egeberg
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 04:11, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I think it's a case by case basis. Generally File I/O is expensive, but > then again, as you say, having everything in a couple files is also > sub-optimal for organizing and keeping things modular. That is easily sorted out using automated bu

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-06 Thread Robert Cummings
Daniel Kolbo wrote: Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- From: Al [mailto:n...@ridersite.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:09 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones? On 1/6/2010

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-06 Thread Daniel Kolbo
Daevid Vincent wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Al [mailto:n...@ridersite.org] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:09 PM >> To: php-general@lists.php.net >> Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little >> include files, or a few big ones? >> >> >> >> On 1/6/2

RE: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little include files, or a few big ones?

2010-01-06 Thread Daevid Vincent
> -Original Message- > From: Al [mailto:n...@ridersite.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:09 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy; lots of little > include files, or a few big ones? > > > > On 1/6/2010 7:18 PM, clanc...@cybec.com.a

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-09 Thread Eddie Drapkin
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM, tedd wrote: > At 1:05 PM +0100 8/9/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: >> >> On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 07:55 -0400, tedd wrote: >> >>  > But, as it was said, IE's have problems with first-child rules. >>> >> >> How does IE8 fare with selectors in CSS? >> >> Thanks, >> Ash > > ted

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-09 Thread tedd
At 1:05 PM +0100 8/9/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 07:55 -0400, tedd wrote: > But, as it was said, IE's have problems with first-child rules. How does IE8 fare with selectors in CSS? Thanks, Ash tedd = clue-- or tedd < clue tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-09 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 07:55 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 10:54 AM +1000 8/9/09, Clancy wrote: > >On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:53:42 -0400, tedd.sperl...@gmail.com (tedd) wrote: > > >Also, if you use first-child, it could be taken down to: > >> > >> > >> > >> Yanni Nx > >> Sally Riordan Sc

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-09 Thread tedd
At 10:54 AM +1000 8/9/09, Clancy wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:53:42 -0400, tedd.sperl...@gmail.com (tedd) wrote: >Also, if you use first-child, it could be taken down to: Yanni Nx Sally Riordan Scholarship, 2007- Except that line 2 is smaller than line 1. In my sche

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-08 Thread Clancy
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:53:42 -0400, tedd.sperl...@gmail.com (tedd) wrote: >You don't need the width="210" height="300". For example, this works: > > > > Yanni Nx > Sally Riordan Scholarship, 2007- > I have read that if you omit the dimensions you will sometimes see the page

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 07:53 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 6:32 AM +0100 8/7/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >>Yanni Nx > >>Sally Riordan Scholarship, 2007- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> (And the t

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-08 Thread tedd
At 6:32 AM +0100 8/7/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > Yanni Nx Sally Riordan Scholarship, 2007- (And the thing that really astounds me about CSS is that they never thought of putting in constants. Instead o

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-07 Thread Clancy
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:32:48 +0100, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley Sheridan) wrote: ... >> How, for example, could I otherwise achieved the following effect, which >> displays an image >> with a border slightly darker than the background, and with the title and >> subtitle inside >> the b

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:06 +1000, Clancy wrote: > On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:28:32 +0100, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley > Sheridan) wrote: > > ... > >> >> Nested tables are the devils playthings! > >> > >> I must be the devil, then. I enjoy playing with them. And if they're > >> done rig

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-06 Thread Clancy
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:28:32 +0100, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley Sheridan) wrote: ... >> >> Nested tables are the devils playthings! >> >> I must be the devil, then. I enjoy playing with them. And if they're done >> right they >> seem to work on every system I have tried them on. Gr

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 12:05 +0200, Ralph Deffke wrote: > as it comes to this point I can recomment an O'reilly book "High Performance > Web Sites, essential knowledge for frontend engineers" > > if u read that book ur eyes will grow and u will not bother about php > comments, > > ralph > > > "A

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-06 Thread Ralph Deffke
as it comes to this point I can recomment an O'reilly book "High Performance Web Sites, essential knowledge for frontend engineers" if u read that book ur eyes will grow and u will not bother about php comments, ralph "Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message news:1249543712.3358.104.ca...@localhost.

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-06 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 09:24 +1000, Clancy wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:25:20 -0400, phps...@gmail.com (Bastien Koert) wrote: > > >On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Ashley Sheridan > >wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:49 +1000, Clancy wrote: > >>> Thank you to all of you who have commented on t

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-05 Thread Clancy
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:25:20 -0400, phps...@gmail.com (Bastien Koert) wrote: >On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Ashley Sheridan >wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:49 +1000, Clancy wrote: >>> Thank you to all of you who have commented on this query. >>> >>> On the subject of comments, I feel that La

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-05 Thread Bastien Koert
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:49 +1000, Clancy wrote: >> Thank you to all of you who have commented on this query. >> >> On the subject of comments, I feel that Larry Garfield settled this query by >> pointing out >> that halving the size of a p

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-05 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:49 +1000, Clancy wrote: > Thank you to all of you who have commented on this query. > > On the subject of comments, I feel that Larry Garfield settled this query by > pointing out > that halving the size of a particular document gave a barely noticeable > increase in sp

Re: [PHP] Re: PHP programming strategy

2009-08-03 Thread Michael A. Peters
Ollisso wrote: 4. If you have huge load, then it is much more efficient (and easier) to use other methods. For Example: install APC (http://fi2.php.net/apc ) It will cache all requests to your files and this will have huge impact on your performance. Much more than you can achieve by strippin