Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stut schreef: > > > On 28 Feb 2008, at 12:15, Timothy Asiedu wrote: > >> Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. > > > > Unsubscribe instruct

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 02. 28, csütörtök keltezéssel 04.15-kor Timothy Asiedu ezt írta: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL > PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. > > I look forward to having a favourable response from you. Thank you. re

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut schreef: On 28 Feb 2008, at 12:15, Timothy Asiedu wrote: Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. Unsubscribe instructions are in the footer of every email you receive from this list. Follow them to get your favour

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Stut
On 28 Feb 2008, at 12:15, Timothy Asiedu wrote: Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. Unsubscribe instructions are in the footer of every email you receive from this list. Follow them to get your favourable response

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Timothy Asiedu
Dear Sir/Madam, Please I would be grateful if you could remove my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the general Mailing List. I look forward to having a favourable response from you. Thank you. Best regards, Timothy Asiedu. Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-28 Thread Stut
On 28 Feb 2008, at 01:21, Jochem Maas wrote: hmm. thing is you need a bit of paper to call yourself an engineer .. I ain't got one. Not in my book you don't. Experience has shown that bits of paper lie better than most people do. Prove yourself to me in person - I'll trust that over any b

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Casey
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Nathan Rixham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matty Sarro wrote: > > I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My > goal > > isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm > > foundation to stand on before I reall

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 02:21 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Stut schreef: > > > > It's worth noting that I've asked the same question to more than a > > few interviewees for traditional C/C++ roles, and I never came > > across one that couldn't do it which I find quite interesting. > > > > Incidental

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut schreef: On 27 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: I DID NOT!! It was him! I only schreef in private! that's what they all say ... my thunderbird knows different ;-) I've interviewed more than my fair share of "web developers" who couldn't reverse an array without

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 11:52 PM + 2/27/08, Stut wrote: It's worth noting that I've asked the same question to more than a few interviewees for traditional C/C++ roles, and I never came across one that couldn't do it which I find quite interesting. Incidentally, the same distinction between engineers and devel

RE: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Bastien Koert
UK? I was hoping for Windsor Ontario Canada bastien > CC: php-general@lists.php.net > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:21:59 + > Subject: Re: [PHP] Guidance > > On 27 Feb 2008, at

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Jochem Maas wrote: > > Stut schreef: > > I DID NOT!! It was him! I only schreef in private! Sure, blame it on me > I'm not knocking those who don't apply software engineering principals > to t

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 10:21 PM + 2/27/08, Stut wrote: Anyways, I assume you're based in the US somewhere so unless you're considering emigrating to the UK you were never in the running. -Stut Running? I thought that emigrating was E migrating . You know, like we all form an V and flap around. :-) It's g

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 23:25, Jochem Maas wrote: Stut schreef: I DID NOT!! It was him! I only schreef in private! On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised h

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Daniel Brown schreef: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would include DOM scripting and understanding what the current buzz words mean (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and compliant). I was going to include "

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Stut schreef: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, "oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were a real programmer." We

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jochem Maas
Matty Sarro schreef: Greetings all! I am still relatively new to any kind of web design or php programming, I'll be completely honest. I am used to working with C, Perl, Java, and a splash of C++. PHP and web application development are kind of a new bag for me and I'm still trying to get my bear

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Nathan Rixham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > $yarra We have a wiener. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Rixham
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:48 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: I've interviewed more than my fair share of "web developers" who couldn't reverse an array without using array_reverse if their life depended on it. forea

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 21:50, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Shawn McKenzie wrote: Stut wrote: I've interviewed more than my fair share of "web developers" who couldn't reverse an array without using array_reverse if their life depended on it. Sometimes it really does scare me! So my experience is that the

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:48 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Stut wrote: > > On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: > >>So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider > >> web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised how > >> much I hear, "oh, you wo

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Jason Pruim
On Feb 27, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Stut wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, "oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you wer

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 21:42, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip!] If anyone considers themselves a software engineer rather than a web developer and would like a job in Windsor drop me a note. Depending on how desperate you get, should y

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Stut wrote: >> On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: >>>So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider >>> web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised how >>> much I hear, "oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant y

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Stut wrote: > On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: >>So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider >> web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised how >> much I hear, "oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you >> were a real programmer

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would include DOM scripting and understanding what the current buzz > words mean (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, > functional, secure, and compliant). I was going to include "terminology" as a li

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip!] > If anyone considers themselves a software engineer > rather than a web developer and would like a job in > Windsor drop me a note. Depending on how desperate you get, should you design to nix (no pun intended) the o

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 20:59, Daniel Brown wrote: So let this be at least a basic retort to those who don't consider web development "real programming." Because you'd be surprised how much I hear, "oh, you work with web stuff, I thought you meant you were a real programmer." Well, I'm not. I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 3:59 PM -0500 2/27/08, Daniel Brown wrote: It is. And in my opinion, web developers - specifically PHP-on-*nix developers - are cream-of-the-crop programmers. Not to toot my own horn. Blattt... fllit. We know - and are not afraid to use - the following technologies, and employ

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stephen Johnson
: Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:31 -0500 > To: Matty Sarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Subject: Re: [PHP] Guidance > > It is. And in my opinion, web developers - specifically > PHP-on-*nix develope

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:59 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: > > > > * Shell scripting (BASh, tcl, Expect, AppleScript, Korn, and so > forth) > > Do many people still use Expect? I thought I might be a dying breed.

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Rixham
Matty Sarro wrote: I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I needed was the language, and that was pretty much it. I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:59 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: > > * Shell scripting (BASh, tcl, Expect, AppleScript, Korn, and so forth) Do many people still use Expect? I thought I might be a dying breed. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJin

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a lot of crap. P.S. - Sorry for the rant. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 3:32 PM -0500 2/27/08, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe it's just me but I usually end up rewriting everything I write at least twice. That's just a fact of life and I've found that I end up with far better code that way than I d

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Matty Sarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal > isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm > foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Ray Hauge
Matty Sarro wrote: I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I needed was the language, and that was pretty much it. I

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
I understand and agree completely, and I really appreciate the help. My goal isn't so much to keep from re-writing code, but to have a pretty firm foundation to stand on before I really begin. I mean, with c++ or c, all I needed was the language, and that was pretty much it. I could do everything f

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe it's just me but I usually end up rewriting everything I write > at least twice. That's just a fact of life and I've found that I end > up with far better code that way than I do by trying to get it right > first time. It

Re: [PHP] Guidance

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 19:50, Matty Sarro wrote: I am still relatively new to any kind of web design or php programming, I'll be completely honest. I am used to working with C, Perl, Java, and a splash of C++. PHP and web application development are kind of a new bag for me and I'm still trying