Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Per Jessen
Larry Garfield wrote: > The sooner you convince new PHP programmers to do things in a > naturally more secure way, the fewer bugs they will accidentally > introduce later. And how do you go about convincing them? That's still the key question. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 09:10 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: > On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: > > Larry Garfield wrote: > > > Here's a bigger question: When will people stop using mysql_ as their > > > example API, when PDO is more standard in PHP 5 and more secure, and > > > mysqli is a

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Cristian Vrabie
Robin Vickery wrote: On 30/10/2007, Per Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Cristian Vrabie wrote: Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how many have php5 support? Many more

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Larry Garfield
On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: > Larry Garfield wrote: > > Here's a bigger question: When will people stop using mysql_ as their > > example API, when PDO is more standard in PHP 5 and more secure, and > > mysqli is available as well? > > As always, the key question must be - what's

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Robin Vickery
On 30/10/2007, Per Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry Garfield wrote: > > > On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: > >> Cristian Vrabie wrote: > >> > Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked > >> > how many have php5 support? Many more. > >> > >> There are 178

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Per Jessen
Larry Garfield wrote: > On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: >> Cristian Vrabie wrote: >> > Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked >> > how many have php5 support? Many more. >> >> There are 178.112 hosters that have PHP5 support. I checked. > > Where and how

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Per Jessen
Larry Garfield wrote: > Here's a bigger question: When will people stop using mysql_ as their > example API, when PDO is more standard in PHP 5 and more secure, and > mysqli is available as well? As always, the key question must be - what's the advantage of moving? When the developer benefits fr

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday 29 October 2007, Philip Thompson wrote: > I think the real question is will listservs (like this one) stop > supporting people running applications on PHP4 in 98 days ( > http://gophp5.org/)? I'm not saying we should outcast *those people* who > haven't transitioned, but will the pr

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: > Cristian Vrabie wrote: > > Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how > > many have php5 support? Many more. > > There are 178.112 hosters that have PHP5 support. I checked. Where and how did you check? Compiling such sta

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Per Jessen
Cristian Vrabie wrote: > Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how > many have php5 support? Many more. There are 178.112 hosters that have PHP5 support. I checked. > You have hundreds of thousands of choices. And the pricing has quite > leveled in the last period

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 09:42 -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: > > I think the real question is will listservs (like this one) stop > supporting people running applications on PHP4 in 98 days ( > http://gophp5.org/)? I'm not saying we should outcast *those people* who > haven't transitioned, but wi

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 08:52 +, Hulf wrote: > Hi, > > > It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is > holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 > and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade > before I c

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Philip Thompson
On 10/29/07, Per Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hulf wrote: > > > It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is > > holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run > > php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them > > to upg

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Cristian Vrabie
Per Jessen wrote: Hulf wrote: It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before I can run my code? There are

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Per Jessen
Hulf wrote: > It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is > holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run > php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them > to upgrade before I can run my code? There are at least 117,223 hosti

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Dave Goodchild
Support for php4 will be dropped at the end of the year so hosts will be forced to make the upgrade at some point. On 10/29/07, Hulf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is > holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many

[PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Hulf
Hi, It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before I can run my code? I have very little time as it is and am anxi