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On Jan 30, 2008 7:21 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg's my hero of the day - even if he has been banging the Ruby drum on > the PHP Stage half the night ;-) PHP is a great language. I don't plan to stop using it anytime soon. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP Genera

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On Wed, January 30, 2008 9:42 pm, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 7:58 PM, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't use SPL because it makes my head spin to read it, and I >> never >> ever try to do something as silly as iterate over a *LARGE* array in >> end-user pages. > > are th

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On Jan 31, 2008 9:47 AM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you mean you have a schema in a db with a bunch of tables? there is a > symfony task for that. symfony propel-build-schema > > or if you use propel alone: > > http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Users/Documentation/1.3/HowTos/Existi

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2008. 01. 31, csütörtök keltezéssel 09.41-kor Nathan Nobbe ezt írta: > On Jan 31, 2008 3:24 AM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never write the xml for propel. we use DBDesigner (although > it is not > a well-written software, and there are problems with running

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im curious, greg, what the ruby guys do for code documentation. for php there is phpDocumentor or doxygen. i like them both. propel has support for the former so when i generate the code from a schema.xml file, the next thing i do is generate the phpDocumentor-based docs for my project which is ju

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On Jan 31, 2008 3:24 AM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never write the xml for propel. we use DBDesigner (although it is not > a well-written software, and there are problems with running it on > linux) and convert its xml files automatically to propel format. what's > more we have

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2008. 01. 30, szerda keltezéssel 13.33-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On Jan 30, 2008 12:40 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just pointing out that the rails guys dont have much wiggle room. > > surely, youre familiar w/ this post: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reaso

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2008. 01. 30, szerda keltezéssel 13.01-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On Jan 30, 2008 12:15 PM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's opinionated software and is certainly not for everyone. > > > > ok it's not for everyone, certainly not for me. but what is it from your > > point of view

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On Jan 30, 2008 5:13 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gentoo is a damn fun distro I must admit.. but using it for anything > besides a development server seems very risky to me. You've got the > Gentoo creat0r running off to lick salt with the M$ weiners up in WA > right when Gentoo wa

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On Jan 30, 2008 10:58 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > besides being a nightmare, portage doesn't answer the question of rolling out > stuff > to multiple machines simultaneously. portage is one of the most elegant software distribution mechanisms ever created. and you dont have to ha

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Nathan Nobbe schreef: On Jan 30, 2008 8:21 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greg's my hero of the day - even if he has been banging the Ruby drum on the PHP Stage half the night ;-) greg does seem to know a crap-ton about ruby, and gentoo even ;) one thing I would offer as a soluti

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On Jan 30, 2008 8:21 PM, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg's my hero of the day - even if he has been banging the Ruby drum on > the PHP Stage half the night ;-) greg does seem to know a crap-ton about ruby, and gentoo even ;) > one thing I would offer as a solution to rolling out cod

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On Jan 30, 2008 7:58 PM, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't use SPL because it makes my head spin to read it, and I never > ever try to do something as silly as iterate over a *LARGE* array in > end-user pages. are there pages where you iterate over the same 'small' array more than

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Greg Donald schreef: On Jan 30, 2008 1:36 PM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for your post. Competition is a good thing. I agree. PHP is the reason we're not all still working out of a cgi-bin. Have you looked at the PHPUnit code coverage reports? Of course it isn't built i

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On Wed, January 30, 2008 1:44 pm, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > when you said earlier that people arent interested in learning > php, this is something i immediately thought of. primarily > because spl debuted in php 5.0 and practically nobody is > using it (which could just be my skewed perception) when

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On Wed, January 30, 2008 1:33 pm, Greg Donald wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 12:40 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> just pointing out that the rails guys dont have much wiggle room. >> surely, youre familiar w/ this post: >> http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_b

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On Wed, January 30, 2008 10:43 am, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 11:38 AM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If list traffic is any sign, PHP is indeed slowing down from the >> "new >> peeps wanting to learn it" perspective: >> >> http://marc.info/?l=php-general&w=2 > > > interest

[PHP] first php 5 class

On 2008-01-30 18:29:57 Greg Donald wrote: -snip- > > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all > That benchmark doesn't include Ruby 1.9. Now that the benchmarks game homepage http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ includes an A to Z list of language implementations you s

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On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > up arrow works just fine. history is gone if it crashes, but > if you exit gracefully, eg. with quit, then the history will be there. > maybe youre using debian or some other silly os; i run gentoo Gentoo is a damn fun distro I must admit.. b

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On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what id like to know, since you seem to know so much about the ruby on > rails framework, > is, what sort of debugging support is there? this is a weak spot in > php to be sure. ive > tried multiple clients w/ xdebug w/ marginal success at thi

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On Jan 30, 2008 4:08 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > php has an interactive shell; php -a. > > therein you have access to anything in the language your > > include path, or the local disc. > > You obviously have a very different u

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On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > php has an interactive shell; php -a. > therein you have access to anything in the language your > include path, or the local disc. You obviously have a very different understanding of the word "interactive". `php -a` seems pretty broken to me

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On Jan 30, 2008 3:34 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > what id like to know, since you seem to know so much about the ruby on > > rails framework, > > is, what sort of debugging support is there? this is a weak spot in > > php to b

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On Jan 30, 2008 3:22 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An xhr request needs to be tested to see if your javascript fired when > expected and equally important what was sent back, and did what was > sent back land in the DOM where you expected it to. Rails provides > that and much more.

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On Jan 30, 2008 3:11 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think your perception is correct. But Perl is very powerful too, > and not so many people use it for new web development either.. with > list serve traffic being my reference. > > SPL's main drawback for me personally is carpal tu

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On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 2:55 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you only need to test data integrity then it seems good enough. I > > would argue that being able to test xhr requests is a basic > > requirement at this stage in web develo

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On 1/30/08, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 2:38 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you like Java then stick with PHP as that's where the syntax is > > clearly headed: > > > > http://www.php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/ > > ive been studying spl a lot recently.

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On Jan 30, 2008 2:55 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you only need to test data integrity then it seems good enough. I > would argue that being able to test xhr requests is a basic > requirement at this stage in web development. how exactly do you test an xhr request? my suspicion

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On Jan 30, 2008 2:33 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 12:40 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just pointing out that the rails guys dont have much wiggle room. > > surely, youre familiar w/ this post: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reason

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On Jan 30, 2008 1:36 PM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your post. Competition is a good thing. I agree. PHP is the reason we're not all still working out of a cgi-bin. > Have you looked at the PHPUnit code coverage reports? Of course it > isn't built in like you say, whic

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On Jan 30, 2008 2:38 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you like Java then stick with PHP as that's where the syntax is > clearly headed: > > http://www.php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/ ive been studying spl a lot recently. actually, last night i was benching it against foreach over stand

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On Jan 30, 2008 12:40 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > java is awesome, it just hasnt worked out for me career wise. If you like Java then stick with PHP as that's where the syntax is clearly headed: http://www.php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/ -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- P

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On Jan 30, 2008 2:01 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 12:15 PM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's opinionated software and is certainly not for everyone. > > > > ok it's not for everyone, certainly not for me. but what is it from your > > point of view

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On Jan 30, 2008 12:40 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just pointing out that the rails guys dont have much wiggle room. > surely, youre familiar w/ this post: > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html One article from one developer means what

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On Jan 30, 2008 1:29 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ruby has 7 frameworks that I know of: Nitro, IOWA, Ramaze, Cerise, > Ruby on Rails, Merb and Camping. > http://www.nitroproject.org/ > http://enigo.com/projects/iowa/ > http://ramaze.net/ > http://cerise.rubyforge.org/ > http://www.r

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On Jan 30, 2008 12:15 PM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's opinionated software and is certainly not for everyone. > > ok it's not for everyone, certainly not for me. but what is it from your > point of view that makes it a 'more interesting advance'? 1) Test driven development is

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On Jan 30, 2008 11:56 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i love how the ruby crew has 1 framework, whereas php has scads. Ruby has 7 frameworks that I know of: Nitro, IOWA, Ramaze, Cerise, Ruby on Rails, Merb and Camping. http://www.nitroproject.org/ http://enigo.com/projects/iowa/ htt

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2008. 01. 30, szerda keltezéssel 12.03-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On Jan 30, 2008 11:52 AM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > oh the Ruby and Rails stuff here it comes again... I really don't see > > why is it a 'more interesting advance in web development technology'... > > and what's

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On Jan 30, 2008 11:52 AM, Zoltán Németh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh the Ruby and Rails stuff here it comes again... I really don't see > why is it a 'more interesting advance in web development technology'... > and what's more important for me, I really don't like it ;) It's opinionated softwa

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On Jan 30, 2008 12:45 PM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 10:43 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would assume it's because there are much more interesting advances > > > in web development technology to focus on elsewhere. > > > > such as ? > > Ruby 1.9,

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2008. 01. 30, szerda keltezéssel 11.45-kor Greg Donald ezt írta: > On Jan 30, 2008 10:43 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would assume it's because there are much more interesting advances > > > in web development technology to focus on elsewhere. > > > > such as ? > > Ruby 1.9,

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On Jan 30, 2008 10:43 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would assume it's because there are much more interesting advances > > in web development technology to focus on elsewhere. > > such as ? Ruby 1.9, Ruby on Rails 2, Perl6/Parrot. Parrot is particularly interesting, especially

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On Jan 30, 2008 11:43 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 11:38 AM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If list traffic is any sign, PHP is indeed slowing down from the "new > > peeps wanting to learn it" perspective: > > > > http://marc.info/?l=php-general&w=2 >

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On Jan 30, 2008 11:13 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i dont think Registry::getInstance() is really that much overhead; In my initial tests I found that static methods accessing $GLOBALS directly was much faster than using an instance and working on it tucked away in a static variab

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On Jan 30, 2008 11:38 AM, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If list traffic is any sign, PHP is indeed slowing down from the "new > peeps wanting to learn it" perspective: > > http://marc.info/?l=php-general&w=2 interesting.. I would assume it's becau

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On Jan 30, 2008 10:13 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I love php patterns, but it seems to sort of be dead for years now. > > me too; ya, it is sort of dead, sad, but its still worth a look to people > getting > there feet wet w/ patterns, and occasionally as a point of reference fo

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On Jan 30, 2008 10:35 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only gripe I have about the registry pattern is the lack of code > completion in PDT. ;) heh. does that still blowup when you try to open a file w/ an interface definition? > I love php patterns, but it seems to sort of be

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On Jan 30, 2008 9:57 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008 8:40 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 2008 3:29 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Still pimping singleton, huh? :) > > > > hell yeah :) > > i looked at the registry cl

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On Jan 30, 2008 8:40 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 29, 2008 3:29 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Still pimping singleton, huh? :) > hell yeah :) i looked at the registry classes you pointed out. you know what funny about the one in solar? they refer to the sam

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On Jan 29, 2008 3:29 PM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 29, 2008 3:19 PM, nihilism machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ok, trying to write my first php5 class. This is my first project > > using all OOP PHP5.2.5. > > > > I want to create a config class, which is extended by a

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nihilism machine schreef: Ok, trying to write my first php5 class. This is my first project using all OOP PHP5.2.5. I want to create a config class, which is extended by a connection class, which is extended by a database class. Here is my config class, how am I looking? dunno can't see you

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On Jan 29, 2008 3:19 PM, nihilism machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, trying to write my first php5 class. This is my first project > using all OOP PHP5.2.5. > > I want to create a config class, which is extended by a connection > class, which is extended by a database class. Here is my confi

[PHP] first php 5 class

Ok, trying to write my first php5 class. This is my first project using all OOP PHP5.2.5. I want to create a config class, which is extended by a connection class, which is extended by a database class. Here is my config class, how am I looking? $connInfo; } } ?> -- PHP General