Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-30 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sat, June 25, 2005 7:32 am, Matthew Weier O'Phinney said: > * Catalin Trifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : >> I also tend to stay away from PEAR, which is kinda bloated for my >> taste, except the Log package. > > > I hear that a lot on this list, and I don't understand the reasoning > behind such comme

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-30 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sun, June 26, 2005 12:57 pm, M Saleh EG said: > In all the cases if someone thinks a framework is bloated. Should just > keep > it bloated for him/herself. Programmers, and specially PHP programmers who > are the majority of web-programming in IT labor market. So being it > bloated > for someone

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-26 Thread M Saleh EG
In general, anyone could then say oh ".Net" framework, "Java" framework, "CPAN", or then any other full blown frameworks bloated! I believe these kind of posts would not effect noone but it might create a bad perception for the net/platform voyagers! Every framework, be it based on a language or

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Colin Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > I don't think a lot of people think tat PEAR sucks, we are all, as a > community, just looking for ways to make it better. I don't think a lot of people think it sucks; it's just that I often see statements on this list like 'PEAR sucks' or 'PEAR is bloated' wi

[PHP] Module testing; WAS Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Chris Shiflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > The perl culture is one that includes testing and documentation as > > the norm > > You might be interested to know that there is a PHP equivalent for > Test::More, the CPAN library that prompted the "testing revolution" t

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Colin Ross
I don't think a lot of people think tat PEAR sucks, we are all, as a community, just looking for ways to make it better. C On 6/25/05, Chris Shiflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > The perl culture is one that includes testing and documentation as > > the norm

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Chris Shiflett
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: The perl culture is one that includes testing and documentation as the norm You might be interested to know that there is a PHP equivalent for Test::More, the CPAN library that prompted the "testing revolution" that Perl seems to have undergone in the past five

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Paul Waring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:32:41AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > If somebody could offer some *constructive* criticism of PEAR -- PEAR as > > it is TODAY, not "3 years ago, when I last tried it" -- these comments > > would have more weight. As it is

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 11:06, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > * Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 10:32, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > > > * Catalin Trifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > > I also tend to stay away from P

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 11:06, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > * Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 10:32, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > > * Catalin Trifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > > I also tend to stay away from PEAR, which is kinda bloated for my > > > > taste,

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Chris Shiflett
Paul Waring wrote: I've used both PEAR and CPAN for a few years now and I've noticed that CPAN tends to win hands down in terms of documentation and updates. That might just be down to the particular packages I've happened to use but given a choice I know which one I'd rather use. Yeah, you're

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Paul Waring
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:32:41AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > If somebody could offer some *constructive* criticism of PEAR -- PEAR as > it is TODAY, not "3 years ago, when I last tried it" -- these comments > would have more weight. As it is, I feel they're just FUD based on > ignoran

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Chris Shiflett
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > I also tend to stay away from PEAR, which is kinda bloated for my > taste, except the Log package. I hear that a lot on this list, and I don't understand the reasoning behind such comments -- perhaps because nobody offers any reasoning, only the opinion? There

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 10:32, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > * Catalin Trifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > > I also tend to stay away from PEAR, which is kinda bloated for my > > > taste, except the Log package. > > > > > > I hear that a lot on this list,

Re: [PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 10:32, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > * Catalin Trifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > > I also tend to stay away from PEAR, which is kinda bloated for my > > taste, except the Log package. > > > I hear that a lot on this list, and I don't understand the reasoning > behind such com

[PHP] Stop spreading PEAR FUD; WAS Re: [PHP] Re: PHP web archeticture

2005-06-25 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
* Catalin Trifu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > I also tend to stay away from PEAR, which is kinda bloated for my > taste, except the Log package. I hear that a lot on this list, and I don't understand the reasoning behind such comments -- perhaps because nobody offers any reasoning, only the opinion? I