RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-16 Thread Dan Joseph
ECTED] > Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing > > > I don't know, the Ottawa Linux Symposium runs in Ottawa Canada each > year. They usually run about 5 days and rent multiple rooms. The cost to > non-students (this year): $325 CAD ($217 USD). That's less tha

RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-16 Thread Robert Cummings
I don't know, the Ottawa Linux Symposium runs in Ottawa Canada each year. They usually run about 5 days and rent multiple rooms. The cost to non-students (this year): $325 CAD ($217 USD). That's less than half the price of PHP|Con. Cheers, Rob. On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 09:31, Dan Joseph wrote: > Hi

RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-16 Thread Dan Joseph
Hi, > > at least I dont live in a police state. I sure do.. Its a joke too.. > I hate the patriot act. You don't like illegal search and seizures? What's wrong with you? :) -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.

RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-16 Thread Dan Joseph
Dan Joseph > -Original Message- > From: Chris Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:19 PM > To: Dan Anderson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing > > > > Yea its not bad if you dont have a life outside of programmi

RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-16 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] ... a lot ... [/snip] As someone who has put together conferences before and has/is/will be attempting to do a conference like this in the future I can say that for day pricing it may be slightly high, but just slightly. A conference is an expensive thing, usually offset by sponsors to a de

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Jeremy Johnstone
Let me also say, that I fully think their price is fair. It's right in line with most other conferences (if not cheaper). I was just clarifying that the $495 price is not all inclusive. I wish I would be able to attend, but unfortunately money is tight right now for me, and I can't afford it. I mos

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread John W. Holmes
Jeremy Johnstone wrote: Actually the $495 is the conference fee only... It does not include the $160 a night for the hotel room (price of the hotel the conference is at), or food, or transportation. That is just your ticket into the conference. Factor in everything else, and your easily up to $150

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Jeremy Johnstone
Actually the $495 is the conference fee only... It does not include the $160 a night for the hotel room (price of the hotel the conference is at), or food, or transportation. That is just your ticket into the conference. Factor in everything else, and your easily up to $1500-$2000. Using the averag

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Dan Anderson
> ah like with 4 kids I have nothing better to do than run down and grab a > book and evaluate my parenting skills. It's not about parenting but about money management. It's pretty cool and shows you how to minimize taxes (so the govn't gets less then 40%). > umm I take it you dont have kids and

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Curt Zirzow
* Thus wrote Chris Sherwood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > and umm socialist system.. umm where you been hiding? > at least I dont live in a police state. ouch :) Curt -- "I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure." -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, vis

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Chris Sherwood
> > Yea its not bad if you dont have a life outside of programming and/or > > computers > Well most professionals who would go to this conference -- IMHO -- would > be doing it because it would be worth while. For instance, I considered > going because if it reduced the time it takes for me to dev

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Dan Anderson
> Unless I'm missing out on all the gold (which is a possibility), speakers > usually get a very modest honorarium and their expenses paid. I can't imagine > that speakers are the most significant cost of a conference. Well it does depend on the fame (or infamy) of the speaker. If you want Bill C

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Dan Anderson
> Yea its not bad if you dont have a life outside of programming and/or > computers Well most professionals who would go to this conference -- IMHO -- would be doing it because it would be worth while. For instance, I considered going because if it reduced the time it takes for me to develop softw

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Chris Shiflett
--- Dan Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > speakers (very pricey), etc. Unless I'm missing out on all the gold (which is a possibility), speakers usually get a very modest honorarium and their expenses paid. I can't imagine that speakers are the most significant cost of a conference. Chris ==

RE: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
> Yea its not bad if you dont have a life outside of programming and/or > computers > > if you have kids or other responsibilities then all of a > sudden 500$ becomes > a very large issue as thats a months groceries or what not... > > heh yea the average salary is 50K but then when the > govern

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Chris Sherwood
Yea its not bad if you dont have a life outside of programming and/or computers if you have kids or other responsibilities then all of a sudden 500$ becomes a very large issue as thats a months groceries or what not... heh yea the average salary is 50K but then when the government takes 40% (if

Re: [PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Dan Anderson
> The pricing seems insane, and geared towards people with lots of > spare money... ::snip:: > but I'm not going to shell out $495 (the cheapest non-student If you consider the average salary for a computer programmer is probably $40k - $50k (at least in the US) this is not insane. (Heck, it's

[PHP] PHP|Con insane pricing

2003-09-15 Thread Jeremy Brand, B.S.
Does anyone know a way to attend the PHP|con west as an observer in Santa Clara, CA, US on Oct. 23rd without spending tons of ca$h? The pricing seems insane, and geared towards people with lots of spare money... I would love to hear specifically the Advanced track on Oct. 23 (Michael Radwin, S