Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Richard Lynch
On Mon, June 11, 2007 9:05 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > There is no need to include the DST information since when on DST > the client > will be sending the propper offset. For example, EET+2EEST is +0200 > during > winter and +0300 during DST. I think you are over-simplifying things too muc

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Lester Caine
Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: On Monday 11 June 2007 18:15, Lester Caine wrote: calender of events over a change in daylight saving I NEED to know !!! I believe that I finally understand your thoughts. You mean that you need to use the timezone information to know when in the future the time w

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Monday 11 June 2007 18:15, Lester Caine wrote: > calender of events over a change in daylight saving I NEED to know !!! I believe that I finally understand your thoughts. You mean that you need to use the timezone information to know when in the future the time will change (or in the past).

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Tijnema
On 6/11/07, Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 11 June 2007 16:05, Lester Caine wrote: By the way, what makes you think that most people have an invalid timezone configured? Windows XP have NTP support that is enabled by default. Without a proper timezone this should res

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Lester Caine
Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: On Monday 11 June 2007 16:05, Lester Caine wrote: Hope this clears things a bit... As I actually USE a clients time offset, I know what the problem is. The DATA is ALL stored as UTC time data, so it does not matter who enters it. It will be stored without a tim

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Monday 11 June 2007 16:05, Lester Caine wrote: > Timezone information is only of use for the CURRENT day - even if it is > wrong. It is ESSENTIAL that any changes also include the daylight saving > information. Since this is not included, all current sites handling event > related information in

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-11 Thread Lester Caine
Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: On Sunday 10 June 2007, Richard Lynch wrote: On Sat, June 9, 2007 8:06 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: Timezone: +0200 that will specify their timezone offset. This way scripts will be able to provide appropriate date/time strings/representations and/or content. It's

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-10 Thread Tijnema
On 6/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree with Tijnema he's hit the nail on the head. And the inability to handle daylight time really is a big potential snag - who in North America isn't on daylight time at some point in the year? If the timezone data is unreliable the

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-10 Thread info
I agree with Tijnema he's hit the nail on the head. And the inability to handle daylight time really is a big potential snag - who in North America isn't on daylight time at some point in the year? If the timezone data is unreliable then no thinking developer will use it. The question then beco

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-10 Thread Tijnema
On 6/10/07, Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 10 June 2007, Tijnema wrote: > To get back to the point, I think that the timezone should be defined > on what time it actually is at his PC, and what time it is on > time.nist.gov for example, and not lookng at some setting...

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-10 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Tijnema wrote: > To get back to the point, I think that the timezone should be defined > on what time it actually is at his PC, and what time it is on > time.nist.gov for example, and not lookng at some setting... Timezone > setting is often wrong, people just update their t

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-10 Thread Tijnema
but i would give it odds over a user passed timezone. sincerely, Rob http://phpyellow.com From: Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:15:33 +0300 CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone On Sunday 10 June 200

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-10 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Tijnema wrote: > On 6/9/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, June 9, 2007 8:06 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > > > Timezone: +0200 > > > > > > that will specify their timezone offset. This way scripts will be able > > > to > > > provide appropriate date/

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread info
ve it odds over a user passed timezone. sincerely, Rob http://phpyellow.com From: Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:15:33 +0300 CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone On Sunday 10 June 2007, Richard Lynch w

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sat, June 9, 2007 7:15 pm, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > On Sunday 10 June 2007, Richard Lynch wrote: >> On Sat, June 9, 2007 8:06 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: >> > Timezone: +0200 >> > >> > that will specify their timezone offset. This way scripts will be >> able >> > to >> > provide appropr

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Sunday 10 June 2007, Richard Lynch wrote: > On Sat, June 9, 2007 8:06 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > > Timezone: +0200 > > > > that will specify their timezone offset. This way scripts will be able > > to > > provide appropriate date/time strings/representations and/or content. > > It's pretty

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Tijnema
On 6/9/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, June 9, 2007 8:06 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an > HTTP > header that will be used to transfer timezone information from > browsers to > servers. Compliant browsers w

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sat, June 9, 2007 8:06 am, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an > HTTP > header that will be used to transfer timezone information from > browsers to > servers. Compliant browsers will need to send a timezone string: > > Timezone: +020

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sat, June 9, 2007 12:02 pm, Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: > I've already thought about providing the full time but I didn't find > any > applications. Can you provide some examples about its usage? How can > you tell > whether a user has wrong time and not wrong timezone? You can't. You can't tel

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sat, June 9, 2007 11:08 am, Stut wrote: > Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: >> On Saturday 09 June 2007, Daniel Brown wrote: >>> On 6/9/07, Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an HTTP header that will be used

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Saturday 09 June 2007, Stut wrote: > Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: >> I meant people using PHP to write programs also. I would dispute your >> assertion that the majority of dynamic web pages are written in PHP. I >> would accept an assertion that PHP is one of the most widely used >> languages for

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stut
Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: On Saturday 09 June 2007, Stut wrote: Just wanted the opinion of PHP people/developers since PHP programmers will be most affected by this. Can you point me to the proper php related list to ask? I fail to see how "PHP programmers will be most affected by this" sinc

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Saturday 09 June 2007, Stut wrote: > > Just wanted the opinion of PHP people/developers since PHP programmers > > will be most affected by this. Can you point me to the proper php related > > list to ask? > > I fail to see how "PHP programmers will be most affected by this" since > it would eq

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stut
Stefanos Harhalakis wrote: On Saturday 09 June 2007, Daniel Brown wrote: On 6/9/07, Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an HTTP header that will be used to transfer timezone information from browsers to servers. Compli

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
On Saturday 09 June 2007, Daniel Brown wrote: > On 6/9/07, Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an HTTP > > header that will be used to transfer timezone information from browsers > > to servers. Compliant browsers will

Re: [PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On 6/9/07, Stefanos Harhalakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello there, I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an HTTP header that will be used to transfer timezone information from browsers to servers. Compliant browsers will need to send a timezone string: Timezone:

[PHP] [RFC] HTTP timezone

2007-06-09 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
Hello there, I'm currently writting and Internet Draft candidate to describe an HTTP header that will be used to transfer timezone information from browsers to servers. Compliant browsers will need to send a timezone string: Timezone: +0200 that will specify their timezone offset. This way s