Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Lester Caine
Tamara Temple wrote: And then, we have the case of a signature being 3 times as long as the reply Which is less of a problem if the email client correctly trims it! I can probably come up with a list of posts just to this list where a top poster has included several signatures several times

[PHP] Self-whitelisting (WAS: Top Posting)

2011-07-05 Thread George Langley
On 2011-07-05, at 8:52 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > Huh? You have a problem with a person having a spam filter that requires > one valid response to ensure that the mail from an address is from a real > person ONE TIME ONLY? -- I know that I do. I monitor our web site's registrati

Re: [PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 22:52, Jim Giner wrote: > Huh?  You have a problem with a person having a spam filter that requires > one valid response to ensure that the mail from an address is from a real > person ONE TIME ONLY? Not that you're asking me, but yes, I do. It's not a bad idea in prac

[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
Huh? You have a problem with a person having a spam filter that requires one valid response to ensure that the mail from an address is from a real person ONE TIME ONLY? And what do you use to cut down on spam in your in-box? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe,

Re: [PHP] vend-bot?

2011-07-05 Thread Kirk Bailey
On 7/3/2011 4:53 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: Only allowing them to access the URL once is a bad idea. If their download fails, is corrupt, or any number of other things go wrong (think accelerators, browser accelerators, etc) then you end up with a lot of support mail. Better to give them access

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Tamara Temple
On Jul 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote: Imagine here a quoting of 200 lines and then a ME TOO! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Syste

[PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello James Moe, Am 2011-07-05 11:12:03, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > I suspect one reason top posting is popular is that responders do not > have to think about tidying up, just spit out a reply and move on. Replying to what if s/he does not scroll down to read the answer of the previou

[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Jim Giner, Am 2011-07-05 13:30:31, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > It's certainly not spam - it's a spam filter offered by my ISP and works > great. The mail you are getting from it is a query asking you to reply if > you are real and once you do, you'll never get the request again. Do

[PHP] Re: Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Richard Quadling, Am 2011-07-05 17:14:18, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > But that is what "reply-all" is about. > Person A sends an message to List B. > I reply-all and Person A and List B get replies. I do not like to get PMs on my cellphone from the LIST > Hmm. > GMail sucks at this.

[PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Jim Giner, Am 2011-07-05 10:48:34, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > And besides - I'm sure there are PLENTY of people here who despise scrolling > thru endless repeated paragraphs from a long list of posts just to get the > the latest contribution to the topic.:) > > This newgroup ma

Re: [PHP] Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
"James Moe" wrote in message news:4e1353f3.6090...@sohnen-moe.com... > > I suspect one reason top posting is popular is that responders do not > have to think about tidying up, just spit out a reply and move on. The > result is a message that grows in size with every reply containing every > use

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Tamara Temple
On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Have you looked into using Evolution as an email client? It's what I use on Linux, and the last time I checked there were Windows binaries available for it. It connect to MS Exchange Server if that's what you use in the office, it's completely

RE: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 14:04 -0400, ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jim Giner [mailto:jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:53 PM > > To: php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting > > > > > > "Ashley Sheri

Re: [PHP] Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread James Moe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/05/2011 07:48 AM, Jim Giner wrote: > And besides - I'm sure there are PLENTY of people here who despise scrolling > thru endless repeated paragraphs from a long list of posts just to get the > the latest contribution to the topic.:) > I oft

RE: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread admin
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Giner [mailto:jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:53 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting > > > "Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message > news:21e916f2-2a1f-4982-bc4d-9a574da92...@email.android.com.

Re: [PHP] XML array

2011-07-05 Thread Tamara Temple
On Jul 5, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Tamara Temple wrote: On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: $arr[] = array('name' => (string)$book->name, 'author' => (string)$book->author); } Interesting -- is the casting to string type necess

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Tamara Temple
Business e-mail did not start with Outlook. Businesses have been using e-mail long before it even showed up as an option. The de jure standard on the Internet before that time, and before several other clients came about was either bottom posting or intermixed responses. This was true in e-

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
"Ashley Sheridan" wrote in message news:21e916f2-2a1f-4982-bc4d-9a574da92...@email.android.com... I've seen fake messages do that before as a way of harvesting good live email addresses, so I regard all such messages spam now. oh, well... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)

Re: [PHP] XML array

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Tamara Temple wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: > > >> $arr[] = array('name' => (string)$book->name, 'author' => >> (string)$book->author); >> } >> > > Interesting -- is the casting to string type necessary there? I haven't > done that bef

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Ashley Sheridan
Jim Giner wrote: >It's certainly not spam - it's a spam filter offered by my ISP and >works >great. The mail you are getting from it is a query asking you to reply >if >you are real and once you do, you'll never get the request again. > >"Jim Lucas" wrote in message >news:4e134676.7090...@cms

Re: [PHP] XML array

2011-07-05 Thread Tamara Temple
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: $arr[] = array('name' => (string)$book->name, 'author' => (string)$book->author); } Interesting -- is the casting to string type necessary there? I haven't done that before, and it seems to have worked ok... -- PHP General Mailing List (

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
It's certainly not spam - it's a spam filter offered by my ISP and works great. The mail you are getting from it is a query asking you to reply if you are real and once you do, you'll never get the request again. "Jim Lucas" wrote in message news:4e134676.7090...@cmsws.com... > On 7/5/2011 9:

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Lucas
On 7/5/2011 9:11 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: > And Jim, your anti-spam measures are spamming me. > > So, I've blocked your anti-spam as spam. I noticed this the other day and I blocked him as well. Maybe this is why his mail server IP is listed as a source of spam... http://www.mxtoolbox.com/Su

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
"Richard Quadling" wrote in message news:CAKUjMCVbhbXO=ngr1lnzo-6fdahdj-r8hc73b-esotfqg+k...@mail.gmail.com... > > But that is what "reply-all" is about. > > Person A sends an message to List B. > > I reply-all and Person A and List B get replies. > > Hmm. A new level of complexity! A person s

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
If you resisted sending what amounts to a duplicate email to the posters who are 'on' the list, you wouldn't have to deal with spam filters. Don't understand the purpose of a reply all when in essence our replies are to the list wherein the topic originated. Those on the list will surely see a

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Quadling
On 5 July 2011 17:10, Jim Giner wrote: > "Stuart Dallas" wrote in message > news:CAJgGj58OkZLiakMMo8qmuhg68BamYOi+TLNGyzze=iyppbj...@mail.gmail.com... >> Again, please include the list when replying! >> > > But don't include the poster's email if you're replying to the list! But that is what "re

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > "Stuart Dallas" wrote in message > news:CAJgGj58OkZLiakMMo8qmuhg68BamYOi+TLNGyzze=iyppbj...@mail.gmail.com... > > Again, please include the list when replying! > > > > But don't include the poster's email if you're replying to the list! The gui

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Mike Mackintosh
On Jul 5, 2011, at 12:06, Stuart Dallas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > >> >> "Stuart Dallas" wrote in message >>> If you're looking for a sane reason why Microsoft software is popular in >>> the >>> business world you're not going to find one. > >> >> No - you mi

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 11:46 AM, Louis Huppenbauer wrote: Just use count($arr) in your for-header, as it get's executed again for each loop. 1), array('id'=>2)); for($i=0;$i $arr[$i]['id']+1); } } ?> Ok, so the extents are being updated on each pass of the loop :) Ch

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Quadling
On 5 July 2011 17:08, Stuart Dallas wrote: > Again, please include the list when replying! > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > >> ** >> if they weren't on the list, then how did they get involved in the first >> place? And Jim, your anti-spam measures are spamming me. So, I've

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
"Stuart Dallas" wrote in message news:CAJgGj58OkZLiakMMo8qmuhg68BamYOi+TLNGyzze=iyppbj...@mail.gmail.com... > Again, please include the list when replying! > But don't include the poster's email if you're replying to the list! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscrib

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
Again, please include the list when replying! On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > ** > if they weren't on the list, then how did they get involved in the first > place? > You don't need to be subscribed to post. I see the bottom posting lasted a headline-worthy amount of time! -

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > > "Stuart Dallas" wrote in message > > If you're looking for a sane reason why Microsoft software is popular in > > the > > business world you're not going to find one. > > > No - you missed my statement's point. Not looking for anything - just

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Quadling
On 5 July 2011 16:48, Jim Giner wrote: > Let the new mantra be - "Snip Your Posts!" Consider your post snipped. OOI. If you use Google Mail, highlighting the part of the message you want to use and then clicking reply-all will embed only that part in the reply. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
"Stuart Dallas" wrote in message > If you're looking for a sane reason why Microsoft software is popular in > the > business world you're not going to find one. > No - you missed my statement's point. Not looking for anything - just saying it is what it is. You won't find me defending M$ sof

Re: [PHP] XML array

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kanishka wrote: > hi this is my first post on php general mailing list, i want to read a xml > file to retrieve data. i tried by using "DOM" and "simple xml" but i > couldn't. > the xml file looks like this.. > > * > > the the title > 7-6-2011

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Louis Huppenbauer
Just use count($arr) in your for-header, as it get's executed again for each loop. 1), array('id'=>2)); for($i=0;$i $arr[$i]['id']+1); } } ?> 2011/7/5 Robert Cummings : > On 11-07-05 10:48 AM, Dajka Tamás wrote: >> >> Thanks, that was interesting :) I think I got o

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
Actually business user do subscribe to use Outlook as their client. It does not come with the OS, it is purchased on a per seat basis by every corporation using it in the form of a license. On the other hand Outlook Express is available as part of the os, or is easily obtained for free. It is

Re: [PHP] Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:29 PM, wrote: > Anyone know how to make Outlook changes its reply position. > > I am using outlook 2007 and I do not find an option for this. > Google delivers... http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/macros4outlook/index.php?title=QuoteFix_Macro -Stuart -- Stuart Da

[PHP] XML array

2011-07-05 Thread Kanishka
hi this is my first post on php general mailing list, i want to read a xml file to retrieve data. i tried by using "DOM" and "simple xml" but i couldn't. the xml file looks like this.. * the the title 7-6-2011 book 1 author 1 book 2 auther 2 * i want to put both "

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
not what he was asking for. ""Curtis Maurand"" wrote in message news:4e7755d57a7a032c39e44598f3660ac7.squir...@www.xyonet.com... > > > > Jim Giner wrote: >> outlook doesn't offer an option for > that. > > ctrl-END gets you to the bottom of a message. > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://w

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Dajka Tamas wrote: > I've bumped into an interesting thing with foreach. I really don't know, if > this is normal working, or why it is, so I got curious. > > The script: > > foreach ( $cats as &$c ) { > echo $c['id']; > if ( $c['id'] <

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Paul M Foster
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 10:48:34AM -0400, Jim Giner wrote: > And besides - I'm sure there are PLENTY of people here who despise scrolling > thru endless repeated paragraphs from a long list of posts just to get the > the latest contribution to the topic.:) > > This newgroup may have its rul

Re: [PHP] Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Tim Streater
On 05 Jul 2011 at 15:29, ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: > Since this is the 3rd time I have been chewed out for top posting. > > Anyone know how to make Outlook changes its reply position. > > I am using outlook 2007 and I do not find an option for this. > > I have to scroll down to the bottom

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Stuart Dallas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jim Giner wrote: > And besides - I'm sure there are PLENTY of people here who despise > scrolling > thru endless repeated paragraphs from a long list of posts just to get the > the latest contribution to the topic.:) > > This newgroup may have its rules, but if

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Curtis Maurand
Jim Giner wrote: > outlook doesn't offer an option for that. ctrl-END gets you to the bottom of a message.

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 10:48 AM, Dajka Tamás wrote: Thanks, that was interesting :) I think I got one step further in understanding PHP :) BTW, I've changed the loop to 'for' and it's working well :) Can you show us your for loop? I'm not immediately sure how you use a for loop to traverse a growing nu

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 09:40 AM, Dajka Tamas wrote: foreach ( $cats as&$c ) { echo $c['id']; if ( $c['id']< 5 ) { $c['id']++; $cats[] = $c; } } Given that you seem to want the above functi

[PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
And besides - I'm sure there are PLENTY of people here who despise scrolling thru endless repeated paragraphs from a long list of posts just to get the the latest contribution to the topic.:) This newgroup may have its rules, but if bottom-posting was such a wise and preferred method, why d

RE: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Dajka Tamás
Thanks, that was interesting :) I think I got one step further in understanding PHP :) BTW, I've changed the loop to 'for' and it's working well :) -Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:rob...@interjinn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:45 PM To: Dajka Tamás Cc: php-general

Re: [PHP] Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Paul M Foster
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 10:29:12AM -0400, ad...@buskirkgraphics.com wrote: > Since this is the 3rd time I have been chewed out for top posting. > > Anyone know how to make Outlook changes its reply position. > > I am using outlook 2007 and I do not find an option for this. > > I have to scroll

Re: [PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 10:42 AM, Jim Giner wrote: outlook doesn't offer an option for that. I'm pretty sure it has a scrollbar on the side ;) Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 10:39 AM, Dajka Tamás wrote: Ok, but if it would be that way I shouldn't get '122334455' for second output, no? The item count increments with every iteration of the loop. Or you're saying that, it checks for an existance of nextitem before every loop, and that will fail with just

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 10:39 AM, Dajka Tamás wrote: Ok, but if it would be that way I shouldn't get '122334455' for second output, no? The item count increments with every iteration of the loop. Or you're saying that, it checks for an existance of nextitem before every loop, and that will fail with jus

[PHP] Re: Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
outlook doesn't offer an option for that. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

RE: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Dajka Tamás
Ok, but if it would be that way I shouldn't get '122334455' for second output, no? The item count increments with every iteration of the loop. Or you're saying that, it checks for an existance of nextitem before every loop, and that will fail with just one element, but will always return true w

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Louis Huppenbauer
I don't think that it does this: if ( count($elements) == 1 ) then loop 1; else loop normally; It's probably more something like that: $i=count($elements); loop: $i--; if($i == 0) $last_loop = true; else $last_loop = false if($last_loop) exit; else goto loop; But aside from tha

[PHP] Top Posting

2011-07-05 Thread admin
Since this is the 3rd time I have been chewed out for top posting. Anyone know how to make Outlook changes its reply position. I am using outlook 2007 and I do not find an option for this. I have to scroll down to the bottom of the email and it considers that to be an adjustment to the origi

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 10:20 AM, Dajka Tamás wrote: Hi, Yeah, I'm really want to do that, since I'm working with the elements of the original array ( skipped that part in sample code ). I've tried your suggestion, but it gives the same result, so on just one input is just gives back '1'. Ahhh... you w

RE: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Dajka Tamás
Tried, gives the same result with one element :( What's working: $cats = array( array( 'id' => 1 ) ); while ( $c = array_shift($cats) ) { echo $c['id']; if ( $c['id'] < 5 ) { $c['id']++; $cats[] = $c; } } But this is 'while' and it pops all

RE: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Dajka Tamás
Hi, Yeah, I'm really want to do that, since I'm working with the elements of the original array ( skipped that part in sample code ). I've tried your suggestion, but it gives the same result, so on just one input is just gives back '1'. What troubles me, that foreach gives an inconsistent work

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Louis Huppenbauer
Or maybe he tried to do the following? ($c['id'] + 1)); } } ?> 2011/7/5 Robert Cummings : > > On 11-07-05 09:40 AM, Dajka Tamas wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I've bumped into an interesting thing with foreach. I really don't know, >> if >> this is normal working, or why it is,

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-07-05 09:40 AM, Dajka Tamas wrote: Hi all, I've bumped into an interesting thing with foreach. I really don't know, if this is normal working, or why it is, so I got curious. The script: foreach ( $cats as&$c ) { echo $c['id']; if ( $c['id']< 5 )

[PHP] Re: Installing PHP

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
Eureka! The whole problem was my unfamiliarity with the php download page. To others - read the choices there very carefully (which I thought I did!) to be sure you get the "thread-safe" version. Thanks to all who contributed, but David gets the kudos for telling me to check the error logs fi

Re: [PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Louis Huppenbauer
Hi there I think that foreach in your first example just knowns that this should be the last loop (as the array only contains 1 element at start) and so stops there. In your 2nd example however the first loop isn't the last, so the array get's checked again, and now there's another element, so...

[PHP] Foreach question

2011-07-05 Thread Dajka Tamas
Hi all, I've bumped into an interesting thing with foreach. I really don't know, if this is normal working, or why it is, so I got curious. The script: foreach ( $cats as &$c ) { echo $c['id']; if ( $c['id'] < 5 ) { $c['id']

[PHP] Re: Installing PHP

2011-07-05 Thread Jim Giner
Thanks David! The error log tells me that I have installed a version of PHP that is not "thread-safe". My bad - I mis-read the download page and did in fact acquire the wrong version. Am beginning PHP install all over again! "David Robley" wrote in message news:b0.f0.00402.e9df2...@pb1.pair

[PHP] Re: Installing PHP

2011-07-05 Thread David Robley
Jim Giner wrote: > Hi all, > (Hopefully I posted this in a place that can/will help me) > > I got curious about running php / apache on my own laptop in order to help > my devl process, instead of writing, uploading and testing on my site. > > Found a nice pair of docs from "thesitewizard.com" t