Re: [PHP] code quest - ECHO?!?

2010-12-10 Thread Kirk Bailey
Ok, so what is echo, and how is it different from print. The code in code quest used echo. I have a copy of learning php 5.0 from O'Reilly, and noplace does it mention echo. Why? What's the difference? IS there a difference? Is there an advantage to either? Please clarify for this newbie. --

FW: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
I think I didn't hit reply-all. PICNIC moment :D > -Original Message- > From: Tommy Pham [mailto:tommy...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:01 AM > To: Adam Richardson > Subject: Re: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:23 AM,

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread David Harkness
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I disagree. If you use a framework, then you're stuck with it. Bugs and all > (and trust me there are bugs and limitations you WILL run into). I have fixed bugs locally in third party libraries; I have submitted them for patching; I have r

Re: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Adam Richardson
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Bob McConnell wrote: > From: Adam Richardson > > > As one point of curiosity, I'm wondering when a function or group of > > functions is, in your eyes, deemed a library. I tend to use the > pornography > > approach to identifying a library ("I know it when I see

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-12-10 11:38 AM, la...@garfieldtech.com wrote: On 12/10/10 8:53 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Thanks, Rob. According to Rasmus, it's as a thin integration layer on top of

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread la...@garfieldtech.com
On 12/10/10 8:53 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Thanks, Rob. According to Rasmus, it's as a thin integration layer on top of PECL modules written in C, most of which are just wrap

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Joshua Kehn
On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:20 AM, tedd wrote: > At 9:53 AM -0500 12/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: >> On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: >>> >>> Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. >> >> Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? >> >> Thanks, >> Rob. >

RE: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message- > From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:20 AM > To: Robert Cummings; Daevid Vincent > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine > > At 9:53 AM -0500 12/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: > >On 10-12-09 10:41 PM

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread tedd
At 9:53 AM -0500 12/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Thanks, Rob. Mark:7:34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him,

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Lester Caine
Robert Cummings wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Any PHP developers BLOG ;) We are all gods ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.C

Re: [PHP] No errors gets displayed, just a blank page

2010-12-10 Thread tedd
At 7:04 PM + 12/8/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I'd also check any errors logs for this site made by Apache, as that will tell you where PHP is falling over. If you have access to the whole server run a 'tail -f' command in a terminal and go to your site again in the browser, that way, you'll

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- If you value CPU time over developer time, by all means avoid ORM frameworks (and *all* frameworks). The point of a common framework is to trade a small bit of performance for a large amount of developer time. If you will

RE: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Adam Richardson > As one point of curiosity, I'm wondering when a function or group of > functions is, in your eyes, deemed a library. I tend to use the pornography > approach to identifying a library ("I know it when I see it"), but I'm sure > there's a more formal analysis. For some, may

Re: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Quadling
On 10 December 2010 12:07, Tommy Pham wrote: > Ironically, both projects are started by the same person. So that old adage of there being at least 2 PHP frameworks per PHP developer still holds true! -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY --

RE: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message- > From: Adam Richardson [mailto:simples...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:05 AM > To: PHP-General > Subject: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks > > I see that the ORM thread has generated a broad-ranging discussion. Some > of the p

RE: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
> -Original Message- > From: Philip Thompson [mailto:philthath...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:59 PM > To: php-general List > Subject: Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine > > On Dec 10, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 07:41:32PM -0800, Daevid

[PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Adam Richardson
I see that the ORM thread has generated a broad-ranging discussion. Some of the posts have discussed the utility of frameworks and/or libraries, and because it's Friday, I thought I'd toss out my observations on the subject and see what ideas those on the list had regarding the subject. Libraries