Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:20:19PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calenda

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:20:19PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: >> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: >> >>> tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: > tedd wrote: >> However, there are occasions such as in a calenda

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread HallMarc Websites
to be seen. I hear a lot of hype regarding this new Google killer yet until I see it... Web 3.0 (or the true 2.0 depending on who you ask) will change how many of use view and develop for the WWW. I hope there are some serious back room discussions on the laws of robotics. :) -- PHP General Mail

Re: [PHP] Re: CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Daniele Grillenzoni
On 17/05/2009 20.51, tedd wrote: At 8:08 PM +0200 5/15/09, Daniele Grillenzoni wrote: Most of the IE bugs are due to floating and clearing, once you have learned to master overflow: auto and display: inline, you're good to go. Just don't get insane about trying to achieve pixel perfect in netsc

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 17/5/09 22:43, Paul M Foster wrote: *Except* in IE6, which is what probably most of the world is using. Probably "a lot" rather than "most". http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm --- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http:

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: > tedd wrote: >> At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: >>> tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet as

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Stephen
Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 7:48 PM -0400 5/16/09, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 15/5/09 18:25, PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impossibly t

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 7:48 PM -0400 5/16/09, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as posit

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, Semantics? What do you mean by that? And therein lies the problem -- what means something to me, may not to you. For example, if I make my header (or whatever) what makes it

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet as to IF that would be considered column data or not. I'm gonna differ on this one,

Re: [PHP] Shopping Cart

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 10:37 AM +0100 5/16/09, Vernon St Croix wrote: Hi, I am pretty new to PHP and I am trying to create a shopping cart. Hi Vee: I'm new to brain surgery and every time I poke here, I see stars -- any idea of what's wrong? :-) If you are new to php, then find something simple to cut your

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 8:38 PM -0400 5/16/09, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 19:48 -0400, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > but... > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > and trying to avoid tab

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 7:48 PM -0400 5/16/09, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with C

[PHP] Re: CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 8:08 PM +0200 5/15/09, Daniele Grillenzoni wrote: Most of the IE bugs are due to floating and clearing, once you have learned to master overflow: auto and display: inline, you're good to go. Just don't get insane about trying to achieve pixel perfect in netscape4. Good to go -- only for

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 9:15 AM -0400 5/16/09, Robert Cummings wrote: FWIW, everything I've read indicates that tables don't affect SEO. Cheers, Rob. Same here -- content is different than html. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, Semantics? What do you mean by that? And therein lies the problem -- what means something to me, may not to you. For example, if I make my header (or whatever) what makes it the same as y

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/16/09 2:25 AM, "Paul M Foster" wrote: > I liken this sort of discussion to the dichotomy between movie critics > and people who actually go and see movies. The critics inevitably have > all sorts of snobby things to say about the movies which are best > attended. I'm not sure why anyone list

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet as to IF that would be considered column data or not. I'm gonna differ on this one, when you sim

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/15/09 6:28 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote: > so ultimately i guess it's a case of 3 cheers and a round of applause > for anybody who's thus far managed to create a website that works and > that the client likes! agreed. but lets hope some of the users like it too. i think of all the web sites t

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 2:34 PM -0400 5/15/09, Robert Cummings wrote: It is my opinion that browsers do not yet provided the necessary functionality across a large enough user spectrum to facilitate the versatility of layouts used by many sites today. That said, I place most of the blame squarely on Microsoft. Chee

[PHP] SQL help?

2009-05-17 Thread Skip Evans
Hey all, I have a SQL requirement I'm not quite sure how to compose. I have two tables, shows, and shows_dates. It's a one to many relationship where there is a single entry in shows and multiple entries in shows_dates that list each date and time for a play production for a run of entries in

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 09:15 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 10:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 02:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may no

Re: [PHP] read the last line in a file?

2009-05-17 Thread Michael A. Peters
Tom Worster wrote: do you mean the pecl inotify extension? that would eliminate the polling and the associated lag. but the php manual says it requires linux. Yup - and it's kernel, so I don't think it could easily be ported to OS X. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsub

Re: [PHP] read the last line in a file?

2009-05-17 Thread Per Jessen
Tom Worster wrote: >> 1) the inotify interface will alert you when a file or directory >> changes. > > do you mean the pecl inotify extension? Not specifically, but if that's how inotify is available in PHP, then yes. > that would eliminate the polling and the associated lag. but the php > ma