Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread p...@highoctane.be
playground cache is actually not nice when scripts are to be part of a project with a name etc. And I have a ton of files in it. I can't remember which is which. I have scripts to do lots of cli things and I like the save as of the workspace. But I have done extra key bindings for getting the ws

Re: [Pharo-users] When to use Versionner and when to use Monticello

2015-05-02 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 01 May 2015, at 21:36, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Sergio Fedi wrote >> When do we use Versionner and when do we use Monticello? > > Simple answer: Monticello is our SCM system that groups code into packages. > Metacello is a package management system that declares dependencies between > t

Re: [Pharo-users] partitions?

2015-05-02 Thread stepharo
So you mean that it should be added by default? Le 28/4/15 21:24, Sergio Fedi a écrit : Just in case, remember that the empty set. is also a partition​

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Ben Coman
On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Sean P. DeNigris wrote > > If so, what would you write there to explain the situation? > > And maybe after that snippet we can put the link to > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/introducing-the-gtplayground/ > > > > Putting more link

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Small workshop/hackathon today and tomorrow about Pharo and Agile Visualization.

2015-05-02 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Excellent!!! Your event is highly relevant for the community. Share your result with us. Alexandre > Le 1 mai 2015 à 22:14, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas a > écrit : > > Hi, > > It was a pretty good event. It went something like this: > > a. We starting by presenting ourselves and our mo

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
15468: Add links to Welcome window https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15468 - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-4-Playground-open-file-menu-tp4823334p4823727.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Sean P. DeNigris wrote > 15468: Enhance the Welcome window I changed the title since online descriptions in addition to links would be nice. Also, I copied the text to https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-workingRoadmaps/blob/master/Pharo40WelcomeWindow.md to make it wasy to edit and version unt

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Sergio Fedi
​From a usability and design point of view adding more elements to something does not necessarily improve it (i.e. the famous "less is more") The human attention is a limited resource and it has to be managed accordingly. The "About" option in the Playground (and in another tools) is a good place

[Pharo-users] initializeWith* and constructors

2015-05-02 Thread Peter Uhnák
It seems to me that Smalltalkers are not very fond of constructors and I can't comprehend why. If for example I want to create object X that _needs_ object Y, then I would have to make a Y accessor. X>>y: anY y := anY but this makes no sense as I can still change the `y` object at later date

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Sean P. DeNigris wrote > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-workingRoadmaps/blob/master/Pharo40WelcomeWindow.md I added some one-liners and links... New stuff GTools - a revolutionary suite of moldable development tools Playground - one tool, with all the features of and Inspecto

Re: [Pharo-users] initializeWith* and constructors

2015-05-02 Thread Sergio Fedi
First I would like to make the distinction between user as the user of an application and user as the user of an object. How we program has to do more with the user as a programmer using an object. In that case I program assuming the programmers that will use my object know what they are doing. B

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
"A good UI is like a joke, if you have to explain it then you did something wrong." El may 2, 2015 1:49 AM, "Sergio Fedi" escribió: > Oh! That link gives a GREAT explanation! Thanks. > > On the subject of how to show it better, I'm not a graphic designer > (although I'm working with one) > so I'l

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Ditto here. I have cron tasks that fire a smalltak script, the startup script itself or a small import script that doesn't belong to a class. All those are my cases for the workspace. El may 2, 2015 4:38 AM, "p...@highoctane.be" escribió: > playground cache is actually not nice when scripts are

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Sean P. DeNigris wrote > I added some one-liners and links... It seems like a good improvement and reasonably complete. Please review https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-workingRoadmaps/blob/master/Pharo40WelcomeWindow.md so we can support these new users we've attracted! - Cheers, Sean

Re: [Pharo-users] GTInspector: editable custom presentation?

2015-05-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Andrei Chis wrote > if you inspect the class GTInspector you will get a presentation showing > all custom presentation from the image. Cool*! * so many amazing but seemingly undocumented features :( - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GTInspector-editable

[Pharo-users] mac address on windows

2015-05-02 Thread Usman Bhatti
Hello, Has anyone tried to retrieve MAC address(es) of a windows machine using Pharo? I have tried two options thus far without any success: 1/ OSProcess: I tried (PipeableOSProcess command: 'ipconfig /all') output. This opens a command prompt on windows machine without anything happening inside

Re: [Pharo-users] mac address on windows

2015-05-02 Thread p...@highoctane.be
looks like a bit of C code is required. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13646621/how-to-get-mac-address-in-windows-with-c Maybe a good time to put the C code generator to the test. Phil Le 2 mai 2015 15:55, "Usman Bhatti" a écrit : > Hello, > > Has anyone tried to retrieve MAC address(es) o

Re: [Pharo-users] initializeWith* and constructors

2015-05-02 Thread Ben Coman
There are other conventions like: * set... * Delay class >> forMilliseconds: aNumber ^ self new setDelay: aNumber forSemaphore: Semaphore new * initializeFor... * DynamicMessageImplementor class>>#for:in: ^ self new initializeFor: aMessage in: aClass * from:to:... * Bezier2Segment clas

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Esteban, Nice to see we are in the same boat :-) Phil Le 2 mai 2015 15:17, "Esteban A. Maringolo" a écrit : > Ditto here. > > I have cron tasks that fire a smalltak script, the startup script itself > or a small import script that doesn't belong to a class. All those are my > cases for the work

[Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Andy Burnett
I would find it really useful to have some more classes included in the base image. The Neo system would be particularly useful, but I would also find an XML reader valuable. What is the process for deciding which classes get included by default? Cheers Andy

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
well… IMO those scripts also should be in a method. Probably under a class named: MyCoolProjectRunScripts or something like that… but in a class. If they are in a class you can: - save them with your project - version them - if you add

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Ben Coman
Those links turned out a bit ugly. What about trying a tiny url via a HTTP level redirect [1]? [1] http://www.web-source.net/html_redirect.htm#.VUT0c9qqpBd So it would look like... GTools - a revolutionary suite of moldable development tools Playground - one tool, with all the features

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Ben Coman
There are arguments on both sides for whether these are included by default. In general, I understand the goal is limit what is distributed with Pharo, since the ConfigurationBrowser makes loading easy. Moose which is based off Pharo comes with a lot more facilities. In the short term, you might

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Ben Coman wrote > Those links turned out a bit ugly. What about trying a tiny url via a > HTTP > level redirect [1]? That looks cool but I wouldn't hold it up unless we can implement that immediately. Ugly links are better than no links. Of course for Pharo 5.0 with Tx and Pillar we can have pret

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
What to integrate and what to not integrate is a sensitive question. There was a discussion about that last time. Maybe you can take a look of the discussion here http://forum.world.st/QualityAssistant-v0-4-td4821070.html#none That really begin with the answers of stepharo. Le samedi 2 mai 2015,

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Stephan Eggermont
On 02/05/15 17:23, Andy Burnett wrote: I would find it really useful to have some more classes included in the base image. The Neo system would be particularly useful, but I would also find an XML reader valuable. What is the process for deciding which classes get included by default? You ge

Re: [Pharo-users] ZnEasy / UTF-8

2015-05-02 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi Volkert, Thanks for the test case, it helped me figure out what the problem was. Basically, what Norbert said was 100% correct: the server code (Teapot) should have specified the charset or encoding of the mime-type it was using (so application/json;charset=utf-8 instead of just application/

Re: [Pharo-users] mac address on windows

2015-05-02 Thread Usman Bhatti
Yes, I already started exploring this path but there are few a problems that I'll share in another thread. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > looks like a bit of C code is required. > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13646621/how-to-get-mac-address-in-windows-with-

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Small workshop/hackathon today and tomorrow about Pharo and Agile Visualization.

2015-05-02 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks a lot for this effort, Offray! Please keep it up. Cheers, Doru On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < off...@riseup.net> wrote: > Hi, > > It was a pretty good event. It went something like this: > > a. We starting by presenting ourselves and our motivations to b

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Andy Burnett
Thanks Ben, and Cyril. I liked Mariano's approach, and I will play with that. However, I think the suggestion about using Moose may be exactly what I need. I have been playing with Mathematica a lot lately, and I really appreciated the fact that you got the kitchen sink with it. What I was wonde

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Did you try renaming the playground page as explained before? If yes, besides the fact that in order to open it you have to search it by the name, is there something else that is not working for you? Cheers, Doru On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > Ditto here. >

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread stepharo
Hi Andy do you know that you can load fully packaged projects in one click? You open the configurationBrowser and select the packages you want and you get them. You can also add them in your startup preference. Finally you can also get a ci job that can load what you want in a image ready made

Re: [Pharo-users] accessing themed colors from morph

2015-05-02 Thread Nicolai Hess
2015-05-01 23:54 GMT+02:00 Peter Uhnák : > Thank's for the pointers. It seems to me that they access it via 'self > theme'; in any case my problem is, for the moment, solved. > Yes but, 'self theme' is 'the theme engine that defines all theme settings' and 'self theme backgroundColor' is 'what th

Re: [Pharo-users] XMLParser GTInspector extensions

2015-05-02 Thread stepharo
Hi ben we could update the configurationOfXMLReader. But the right solution is to define a new configuration loading GT-Tools, XMLReader and your extensions. In pharo 40 we could consider that GT-Tools is loaded. Now I think that making the dependencies explicit is important. So what do you t

Re: [Pharo-users] ZnEasy / UTF-8

2015-05-02 Thread volkert
Understand. Anyway, in Teapot it should possible to set the UTF-8 charset for JSON documents. Thanks, Volkert Am 02.05.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: Hi Volkert, Thanks for the test case, it helped me figure out what the problem was. Basically, what Norbert said was 100% correc

Re: [Pharo-users] builder pattern

2015-05-02 Thread stepharo
Peter I'm not sure I fully understand your point. I hope to get some time to go back to clean the menu API and I would like to propose something in the line of the last examples. Is it what you suggested? menuCommandOn: aBuilder (aBuilder item: #DynaUML) icon: DCIcons current dcOmlDiagramIc

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread p...@highoctane.be
When some sysadmin has to edit them on servers, you want them in .st files. No class. No IDE. Not too much Smalltalk. Just the DSL on an as needed to know basis to configure things. That's better that XML/YAML/JSON... So, that's the case. Startup scripts same story. Phil Le 2 mai 2015 17:56,

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Andy Burnett
> > Stephan Eggermont said: > <<< > > What is stopping you from adding a build 'Andy's Base Image' to the > Pharo-Contribution CI? > >>> Ignorance :-) I had no idea such a thing was possible. It sounds like the ideal solution. Is the process documented somewhere? Cheers Andy

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread p...@highoctane.be
never tought of renaming the tab. I was somewhat aware of the feature. But I have the cache in my .gitignore Phil Le 2 mai 2015 22:10, "Tudor Girba" a écrit : > Hi, > > Did you try renaming the playground page as explained before? If yes, > besides the fact that in order to open it you have to

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Bit I use GToolkit all the time :-) Found it cool to see that it displays configurations very well for example!! Le 2 mai 2015 22:10, "Tudor Girba" a écrit : > Hi, > > Did you try renaming the playground page as explained before? If yes, > besides the fact that in order to open it you have to se

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

2015-05-02 Thread Tudor Girba
As explained before by Andrei and I, if you rename the tab, you will get a named file in play-stash and you can find this file afterwards by name via Spotter. You can also choose a custom location for play-stash in the settings browser. Cheers, Doru On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 11:30 PM, p...@highoctan

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 02.05.2015 um 17:23 schrieb Andy Burnett : > > I would find it really useful to have some more classes included in the base > image. The Neo system would be particularly useful, but I would also find an > XML reader valuable. > > What is the process for deciding which classes get included

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we have NeoCSV, and NeoJSON included in the base image?

2015-05-02 Thread Sergio Fedi
> > (...) That could be integrated in the open window when starting a fresh > image. Either by GUI or by evaluating an expression that does the load. If > you have ideas for that just go ahead and provide a configuration of the > tools you find important and give it a name that is meaningful to oth