Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

Excerpts from kilon alios's message of 2015-01-22 08:13:57 +0100: > Popularity indeed comes with a high price. Guido the creator of python he > has said in one of his presentation that there many people who want to add > their libraries to python distribution but they should not want to do that, >

Re: [Pharo-users] Glorp on Pharo 4

A comma is indeed a (binary) message. It concatenates two Collections, like Strings. Please provide more details on how you try to connect and what error you get, exactly. > On 22 Jan 2015, at 08:26, Craig wrote: > > From: Sven Van Caekenberghe > Sent: 22 January 2015 08:37 AM > >> What exac

Re: [Pharo-users] could not find display

Hi, Finally it's working normally this morning. I suppose that a simple reboot has actualized the environment variables. So, I'm ready to start the tutorial now... Guillaume L. Afin de contribuer au respect de l'environnement, merci de n'imprimer ce courriel qu'en cas de necessite Please

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

Hey Richard, I believe the only alive cross-dialect space is the #smalltalk IRC channel in FreeNode. There's an average of 25~30 people online in that channel, which is not _too_ bad considering the size of our community. Still, compare that to, say, #lisp, with ~400 users and also being a cross-d

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

I don't think there is a need for new lists. We've had comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy and comp.lang.smalltalk. Currently we leave them to the spammers, and trolls, which is a bad sign for outsiders. Always moving somewhere new and leave old trash around doesn't improve anything, does it? Joachim

Re: [Pharo-users] Essays

Someone mentioned to me that there are some incredible Pharo-related projects coming down the pike, that these developments should be made known to the rest of the world. To which I replied: > Yes, yes, yes! Absolutely! I want Pharo to get this message out there. > > I can help, but I cannot be t

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

hernanmd wrote > I am not that convinced Smalltalk should be popular For me, the goal is "critical mass" - big enough where issues and new projects move forward with ease. And this is probably just a few hundred percent. Mass popularity brings in people disconnected from the vision. Smalltalk for

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:12 AM, horrido wrote: > Okay, so far, I've made two mistakes. First was my lack of sensitivity to > cultural differences around the world. Now that I know better, I shall do > better. > > Second was my failure to distinguish between different subgroups within the > Pharo

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

Any language that has a significant user base, ie, a large number of applications, will experience resistance to change. The only way to avoid this is for people NOT to use the language. The fear of popularization will condemn a language to permanent niche status. That's fine, if that's what the u

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

>>Without the ability to address the largest number of Smalltalkers, the SRP cannot make any progress.<< Did you do any research on this before embarking? You may not be the first person who has attempted what you're trying. ​ Often when I'm trying to accomplish something that hasn't previously be

[Pharo-users] Popular

I found this article on the popularity of programming languages interesting. http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html It mostly references Lisp, but I think a lot of the same applies to Pharo. It is quite long so I picked a few points that stood out to me: Some non-technical points... * Nothing co

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

Here is one on Citezen Citezen.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

One on Voyage :) Voyage.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

Thanks you: checked in ! > On 22 Jan 2015, at 21:16, stepharo wrote: > > Hi sven > > here is one of several that I will send :) > > Stef >

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

Hi, I don't care about popularity, jvm or javascript now. I'm a newbie, but I was not drawn to Pharo/Smalltalk because of that. If that were the case I would choose an already popular language with javascript and/or jvm support. It's not about fear of the unpopular but doesn't caring about it

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

Hi Stef, Do you have the Pillar file for this one? I would like to see how do you deal with image positioning. Cheers, Offray El 22/01/15 a las 15:36, stepharo escribió: One on Voyage :)

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

Bloc :) Bloc.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

So let me see if I understand this... Pharo is not ready for prime time because it's still gestating? At what point will Pharo be ready for everyone in the world to use? Five years from now? Ten years? And when it is ready for the world to use, can we be sure that the world will use it? "If you b

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

Le 22/1/15 21:56, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas a écrit : Hi Stef, Do you have the Pillar file for this one? I would like to see how do you deal with image positioning. It is made with omnigraffle. Cheers, Offray El 22/01/15 a las 15:36, stepharo escribió: One on Voyage :)

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

We changed a lot between 20 and 30 and still mariano migrated all its development in one afternoon. So changing does not mean breaking systematically api. Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

In fact, I did look for previous attempts to "market" Smalltalk. I found nothing. All previous attempts to popularize Smalltalk have been grassroots, ie, using word of mouth; giving talks and seminars at conferences and local user groups; a scattered (and somewhat chaotic) collection of blogs and w

Re: [Pharo-users] The Smalltalk Report issue

Hi Raphael bring a USB at PharoDays and bother me and you will get all the Smalltalk Report pdfs :) Hi Pharoers, I'm looking for The Smalltalk Report volume 6 issue 4 (1997) because I'd like to read the first article mentioning refactoring by Kent Beck: "Make it run, Make it right: Desing

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

Offray wrote > I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to > save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE or > being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if it > were that's not the best way to fight against it, but by bu

Re: [Pharo-users] The Smalltalk Report issue

currently uploading ST issues at http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/TheSmalltalkReport/ grab them when they will be available :) We should put them on torrents Stef Le 22/1/15 00:52, Rafael Luque a écrit : Hi Pharoers, I'm looking for The Smalltalk Report volume 6 issue 4 (1997) because I'd li

Re: [Pharo-users] Glorp on Pharo 4

Sven, It took a bit, but I figured it out. If you try to login with a login that has previously been used, then you get this DNU message. I was following your "reddit-st-in-10-cool-pharo-classes" and it happened when I ran the first test. This was the second time that the DefaultLogin was used (

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

Hi, On 2015-01-22 16:27, horrido wrote: Offray wrote I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE or being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if it were that's not the best

Re: [Pharo-users] The Smalltalk Report issue

We have them in the ESUG archive: http://esug.org/data/HistoricalDocuments/TheSmalltalkReport/ but this is only till 1996. > On 22 Jan 2015, at 23:02, stepharo wrote: > > currently uploading ST issues at >http://sdmet

[Pharo-users] The SRP Has Moved

By now, every Smalltalker and his dog have heard about the Smalltalk Renaissance Program. So it is no longer necessary to stay in the Pharo forum. I have moved all future SRP-related discussions to the /English/ forum at forum.world.st. I ask everyone who is even remotely interested in the campaig

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

Richard, My post was somewhat in response to your campaign, but not trying to discourage you. Its just providing some counterpoint to consider in the big picture. Maybe I should not of posted another opinion piece so soon on top of the other threads, so probably even though you can pick holes in m