Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-08-05 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Doru, I have seen your answer on the thread. I hope to make some test tonight and keep you posted. Thanks, Offray On 08/05/2014 12:13 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi, Sorry I could not reply earlier. I will search the other mails where you ask the question and address it. Cheers, Doru On

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-08-04 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Sorry I could not reply earlier. I will search the other mails where you ask the question and address it. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < off...@riseup.net> wrote: > I would like to help with the playground too. In several threads I have > arg

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-08-04 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
I would like to help with the playground too. In several threads I have argued about a tree/outliner like interface for organizing playgrounds and making exploratory computation and visual data narratives. In fact I have trying to understand how to build my own outliner from Moosee browsers, bu

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-04 Thread Clément Bera
2014-06-04 11:33 GMT+02:00 Henrik Johansen : > > On 03 Jun 2014, at 6:32 , Camille Teruel wrote: > > > On 3 juin 2014, at 17:34, Johan Fabry wrote: > > > On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Camille Teruel > wrote: > > To what I understand, types are inferred, it is not statically typed. Am I > wrong ?

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-04 Thread S Krish
+100 I love this playground. Will explore it sometime.. and see if I can participate first in building tools for use and then dive into its frameworks ..! To get started I will need to have a minimum of Oracle connection rather than PostGres .. to make it worthwhile as I play with it. Any heads u

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-04 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
aglynn42 wrote > ...then remember 2 arcane > commands just to get a project built, never mind debug it +1. Regardless of total size, uniformity is a huge win. There is simplicity in eliminating the context switching from writing code in a language, to configuring the build system in its own (m

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-04 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 03 Jun 2014, at 6:32 , Camille Teruel wrote: > > On 3 juin 2014, at 17:34, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Camille Teruel wrote: >> To what I understand, types are inferred, it is not statically typed. Am I wrong ? >>> >>> If there is type inference t

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-04 Thread stepharo
Nicolas Passerini and Pablo Tesone are working on a type inferencer for Pharo and this is exciting :) On 3/6/14 17:59, Johan Fabry wrote: On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:57 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: We have to do some type inference (for tools) some time. Should be fun. (by the way, is there something

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Johan Fabry
On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Camille Teruel wrote: > > On 3 juin 2014, at 17:34, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Camille Teruel wrote: >> To what I understand, types are inferred, it is not statically typed. Am I wrong ? >>> >>> If there is type inferenc

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Camille Teruel
On 3 juin 2014, at 17:34, Johan Fabry wrote: > > On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Camille Teruel wrote: > >>> To what I understand, types are inferred, it is not statically typed. Am I >>> wrong ? >> >> If there is type inference then it is statically typed (at least partially >> if not every

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Johan Fabry
On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:57 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > We have to do some type inference (for tools) some time. Should be fun. (by > the way, is there something like that already?) There has been some work done on type inference for Smalltalk, the RoelTyper example that I keep mentioning worked o

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Johan Fabry
On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:21 AM, Camille Teruel wrote: >> To what I understand, types are inferred, it is not statically typed. Am I >> wrong ? > > If there is type inference then it is statically typed (at least partially if > not every variable type can be inferred) To repeat myself: this is n

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Johan Fabry
On Jun 3, 2014, at 3:10 AM, Clément Bera wrote: >> What's interesting about swift is not only that Apple chose an existing name >> for their new programming language (interesting for a company that is very >> careful about their own brand names), but that swift seems to be statically >> typed

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Andrew Glynn
I don't think the claim is that Pharo or any Smalltalk is 'simple', but when someone new to coding has to first learn how to pretend they're using a late 70"s terminal and a crappy text editor, then remember 2 arcane commands just to get a project built, never mind debug it, the price of entry

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread kilon alios
"What makes Pharo and Smalltalk so cool is this magical simplicity on so many levels." I have a problem with this, I think its not sincere. I know that a Pharo developers would love to throw on my face the basic syntax of Pharo that can fit in a single page but the truth is that Pharo because it i

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 03 Jun 2014, at 10:53, kilon alios wrote: > For anyone who has not not watched it yet, you can watch the Playground demo > here. Looks like they were inspired by Bred Victor demos. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62x8Oq_QP4 > > Swift is statically typed with type inference. BUT it has

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
On 03 Jun 2014, at 14:23, kilon alios wrote: > For anyone who has not not watched it yet, you can watch the Playground demo > here. Looks like they were inspired by Bred Victor demos. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62x8Oq_QP4 > > Swift is statically typed with type inference. BUT it has

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread kilon alios
For anyone who has not not watched it yet, you can watch the Playground demo here. Looks like they were inspired by Bred Victor demos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62x8Oq_QP4 Swift is statically typed with type inference. BUT it has generics and optional types. So it looks like it tries to le

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread stepharo
Hi, The work on GToolkit goes in this direction. Funny enough, we also have a Playground :). Look here for an example: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-with-the-gtinspector/ More will come in this direction. I happen to believe that this is the are

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Camille Teruel
On 3 juin 2014, at 09:10, Clément Bera wrote: > > > > 2014-06-03 8:40 GMT+02:00 jtuc...@objektfabrik.de : > I remember seeing a demo of F# at an Eclipse conference a few years ago. It > also very much reminded me of Smalltalk. > > What's interesting about swift is not only that Apple chose

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread kilon alios
The big question here is not whether Pharo can implement something similar to Playground, Moose and Roassal in particular are quite close. The one million dollars question is Swift a live coding language or is Swift a language with some live coding tools. Obviously I would love to be the first opt

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
Clement, Hmm, as far as I've read (and I haven't read much), all methods have an obligatory return type. But you can write let a = "some text", so I guess you are right. And me probably too ;-) Joachim Am 03.06.14 09:10, schrieb Clément Bera: 2014-06-03 8:40 GMT+02:00 jtuc...@objekt

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, The work on GToolkit goes in this direction. Funny enough, we also have a Playground :). Look here for an example: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-with-the-gtinspector/ More will come in this direction. I happen to believe that this is the area with

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
Yeah looks cool. Just a step further, no revolution though. The fact that for each statement Playground will immediately show its results next to the code, makes programming a bit easier. I wonder how/if this works for code that does not define all its values with let statements ;-). But I gue

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread Clément Bera
2014-06-03 8:40 GMT+02:00 jtuc...@objektfabrik.de : > I remember seeing a demo of F# at an Eclipse conference a few years ago. > It also very much reminded me of Smalltalk. > > What's interesting about swift is not only that Apple chose an existing > name for their new programming language (intere

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-03 Thread darrinm
Here's an example of the Playground in use: https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/recipes/xcode_help-source_editor/ExploringandEvaluatingSwiftCodeinaPlayground/ExploringandEvaluatingSwiftCodeinaPlayground.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40009975-CH26 -- View this message in context: ht

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-02 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Sent from my iPhone > On 03 Jun 2014, at 12:03, darrinm wrote: > > This is the sort of thing Smalltalk seems well suited for (live coding w/ > value and iteration display). Does anyone know of something like it that has > been done before in Smalltalk? Look, this video was done a year ago ht

Re: [Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-02 Thread jtuc...@objektfabrik.de
I remember seeing a demo of F# at an Eclipse conference a few years ago. It also very much reminded me of Smalltalk. What's interesting about swift is not only that Apple chose an existing name for their new programming language (interesting for a company that is very careful about their own b

[Pharo-users] Xcode's Swift Playground

2014-06-02 Thread darrinm
This is the sort of thing Smalltalk seems well suited for (live coding w/ value and iteration display). Does anyone know of something like it that has been done before in Smalltalk? I don't have a good link to a demonstration purely of the Playground but there is a little info here: https://develo