Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-24 Thread stepharo
Le 24/1/15 22:46, Sebastian Sastre a écrit : On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:22 AM, vfclists . > wrote: It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in the same environment. Is it like that alrea

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-24 Thread Sebastian Sastre
> On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:22 AM, vfclists . wrote: > > It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo itself, > so that both using it and updating it would be in the same environment. Is it > like that already? Offering an easy install in one shot would be really nice but

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-24 Thread stepharo
Le 24/1/15 09:02, Ben Coman a écrit : Not currently, but it would be good - perhaps being able to add scripts into Pillar that run to generate pictures, etc. yes Stefan Eggermont started but someone should make it works for real. Stef On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:22 PM, vfclists .

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-24 Thread stepharo
It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in the same environment. Is it like that already? Pharo by Example is not written in Pillar. We are porting it. What would be good is to help us supporting the aut

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-24 Thread stepharo
Hi daniel This would be a really really great service to the community. I'm happy to offer my services as an editor, proof-reader and writer. It's a lot easier to get English text out of me than code. :) If anybody needs or wants me to fix their text, just point me to it. Oh I would really lo

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-24 Thread Ben Coman
Not currently, but it would be good - perhaps being able to add scripts into Pillar that run to generate pictures, etc. On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:22 PM, vfclists . wrote: > > > On 23 January 2015 at 16:23, Daniel Lyons wrote: > >> >> Ben Coman writes: >> > 3) a book - Currently we have only

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-23 Thread vfclists .
On 23 January 2015 at 16:23, Daniel Lyons wrote: > > Ben Coman writes: > > 3) a book - Currently we have only half of this. We have a very good > > book in PBE, but it is outdated several years. Early adopters and > existing > > Pharo users can work around this, but for potential incoming ma

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-23 Thread Pierce Ng
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 09:21:52AM +0100, Martin Bähr wrote: > yes, i was quite surprised to find that 64bit is not supported yet. > in my case i had to pick all the 32bit dependencies by hand to make it work > which was quite an effort. On Debian/Ubuntu, installing ia32-libs used to meet all the

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-23 Thread Daniel Lyons
Ben Coman writes: > 3) a book - Currently we have only half of this. We have a very good > book in PBE, but it is outdated several years. Early adopters and existing > Pharo users can work around this, but for potential incoming masses, an up > to date book is a critical aspect. There is cur

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-23 Thread Martin Bähr
Excerpts from Ben Coman's message of 2015-01-23 08:56:58 +0100: > In addition, I consider running on pure 64-bit OS to be critical to gain > credibility in the wider community. yes, i was quite surprised to find that 64bit is not supported yet. in my case i had to pick all the 32bit dependencies

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-22 Thread Ben Coman
Richard, My post was somewhat in response to your campaign, but not trying to discourage you. Its just providing some counterpoint to consider in the big picture. Maybe I should not of posted another opinion piece so soon on top of the other threads, so probably even though you can pick holes in m

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-22 Thread horrido
So let me see if I understand this... Pharo is not ready for prime time because it's still gestating? At what point will Pharo be ready for everyone in the world to use? Five years from now? Ten years? And when it is ready for the world to use, can we be sure that the world will use it? "If you b

[Pharo-users] Popular

2015-01-22 Thread Ben Coman
I found this article on the popularity of programming languages interesting. http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html It mostly references Lisp, but I think a lot of the same applies to Pharo. It is quite long so I picked a few points that stood out to me: Some non-technical points... * Nothing co